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Published Date: 26 May 2008
By Katrine Bussey
KENNY MacAskill, the justice secretary, has contacted the UK government to close a loophole that means football hooligans involved in violence at the Uefa Cup final could still attend matches in Scotland.
Police made 42 arrests in Manchester last week as riot police and Rangers supporters fought running battles.

Those arrested will be dealt with under the English legal system. But while football banning orders (FBOs) imposed in Scotland preven
t people from attending matches throughout the UK, those imposed in England do not apply north of the Border.

Scottish Government officials have been working with the Home Office and the Scotland Office to close the loophole. Measures in the Football Spectators and Sports Grounds Bill, which has been laid at Westminster, could deal with the issue.

But Scottish ministers are concerned at the bill's rate of progress. Mr MacAskill has now written to Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, demanding urgent action from Westminster.

Some 20 FBOs have been imposed in Scotland since September 2006, when the legislation that established them came into force.

The Scottish Government is currently liaising with the courts, the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland to monitor the implementation of them.



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  • Last Updated: 25 May 2008 10:08 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

An Beal Bacht,

26/05/2008 00:12:14
This is a mistake. We shouldn't be encouraging extraterritoriality. Allowing the English to apply their laws to Scotland. What is Kenny thinking.
2

Guga II,

Rockall 26/05/2008 02:47:25
#1 An Beal Bacht.

This is a mistake, though that does not surprise me considering that it is Kenny MacAskill that is involved.

Surely it would be simpler to amend Scottish legislation to ban any football hooligan from attending games in Scotland, regardless of which country they have been convicted in.

Even the Whigs would probably support such a change.

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kguffg,

lp 26/05/2008 03:12:29
well Kenny is certainly an expert on the subject...

"The Scottish National Party is playing down the arrest of a senior politician before the England versus Scotland Euro 2000 match at Wembley stadium.

Kenny MacAskill, an MSP and the party's transport and environment spokesman, was held on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly.

He spent the entire duration of the match, which Scotland won 1-0 but lost on aggregate, in the cells after being apprehended by the Metropolitan Police."

http://news.bbc.co.uk:80/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/535592.stm
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An Beal Bacht,

26/05/2008 03:47:18
2 Guga II, Rockall 26/05/2008 02:47:25 wrote:

"Surely it would be simpler to amend Scottish legislation to ban any football hooligan from attending games in Scotland, regardless of which country they have been convicted in."

Aye Guga that would seem the rational and logical thing to do.

"Scottish Government officials have been working with the Home Office and the Scotland Office to close the loophole."

Am I to understand from this that we require Westmin approval to change our own legislation? Perhaps Elish Angiolini would explain???
5

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/05/2008 05:59:01
The SFA will disapprove, it might hit their favourite club's finances.
6

AB_R,

26/05/2008 07:02:44
#3 and this is why he is on a vendetta against the industry, instead of taking responsibility for his own actions.
7

Boy Wonder,

26/05/2008 08:31:38
I'd be happy if football disappeared. Support Rugby instead!!!
8

Faustus,

26/05/2008 09:00:44
Oor Kenny acknowledging that certain things have to be done on a UK-wide basis after all!! Whatever are the Nats coming to?
9

PROBABLY THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TEAM IN THE WORLD,

......EVER 26/05/2008 09:06:12
#5 Just can't help yourself.
Bitter and jealous.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 09:12:26
But just last week we were being told that these so called hooligans were not Scottish (it was those nasty English who were really involved, causing all that trouble) and if they were not why are they bothering on getting them banned from games in Scotland.
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scunnin,

Vienna 26/05/2008 09:40:27
I dont care if it was English, Scottish or anyone else that caused the fights last week, all I care about is our reputation as Scots has been damaged by the people who did this. Those should be punished by never allowed to attend a football game again, regardless where in the World it is.

If we allow them to attend again then they may do this again. The tartan army responded and was clearly upset about what happened, I am upset as a Scots who lives overseas, our reputation has been tarnished. Lets not allow it to tarnish our reputation again by banning them from every game in the future..
12

Alan B,

26/05/2008 10:48:34
#Faustus

Are u that silly. The problem is the weak scottish parliment does not have the powers to implement policies that it would like to do. That is why they have to ask westmister.

It was like the time MacAskill wanted to control the number of police in a police car for traffic offences, to free up police for other things. He was not allowed to so had to write to the uk transport secretary to ask permission. She refused leaving us with a minster in charge of scottish policing who has no control over the number of police in a police car. U really could not make it up.

13

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 26/05/2008 10:53:37
How can anybody with an ounce of brains try to drag this into a political issue. Thugs are thugs the whole world over and anybody who attacks members of any of the nation's police forces deserves locking up, irrespective of whether they're Scots or English. Are the Nats so small minded that they're happy to see an English Policeman being dragged down and kicked by a bunch of drunken Scottish football supporters. If that's the way they're thinkinking then God help Scotland!
14

Miss H,

26/05/2008 11:13:27
2 The problem lies with English law not Scots law. Read the story - football banning orders in Scotland apply across the UK but ones imposed in England do not apply in Scotland. The Scottish Parliament cannot legislate for England. They need to sort this out south of the border.
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26/05/2008 11:28:33
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Calum Crubag,

26/05/2008 12:35:56
Rangers fans sing God Save the Queen whilst attacking her police, the 'Royal' Constabulary.

They fly the Union Jack whilst trashing an English city.

They sing songs of hate and war and...

Well at least the last part is consistent.

These good 'prods' should be FORCED to attend church and observe a good presbyterian Sabbath. Morons.
17

livilion,

livingston 26/05/2008 12:53:10
Any details yet of where these 'fans' came from and how many have ever attended a match at Ibrox Park?
I seem to recollect similar problems at big screens in Manchester showing England matches at the last World Cup and also in London following Chelsea losing the Champion's league final last week.
Rangers and Chelsea supporters eg have close links going back to the old Intercity Crew era.
18

Martyk,

26/05/2008 13:14:05
Ban Rangers from Europe
19

Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 13:26:49
16 Calum. As a Protestant(the church going type) I feel that must agree with all you have said.
These morons are not Protestant or any other religion.They are anti- Roman Catholic fascist thugs who represent no one.The club that I support, Rangers,has been too slow in the past to deal with this trash,resulting in our club being disgraced on the world stage on a regular basis. The time is well overdue for an end to be brought to the hate filled songs at Ibrox,and an end to be brought to the thugs who sing them.
20

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 26/05/2008 13:53:54
I am curious why we still have not had more details of the nationality and residency of the people arrested. I do feel that 200K football supporters of any type left all day drinking to then see the Giant screen go off at the start of the match and then be barred from moving is asking for trouble.

I think Manchester City were not able to cope and it showed. Badly organised and controlled.

I was not there but all the footage I have viewed shows the same fighting and incidents over and over. Was there trouble at only one fan zone? did the other 190,000 people cause no trouble ?
21

An Beal Bacht,

26/05/2008 16:43:06
14 Miss H, 26/05/2008 11:13:27wrote:

"2 The problem lies with English law not Scots law. Read the story - football banning orders in Scotland apply across the UK but ones imposed in England do not apply in Scotland. The Scottish Parliament cannot legislate for England. They need to sort this out south of the border."

Miss H, I find the practice of extraterritoriality obnoxious no matter where it originates. I don't believe any nation should be making laws that extend beyond their own borders. Can the Scottish government not simply pass a law that bans football hooligans from attending matches if they have been found guilty of said in whatever jurisdiction?

Why do we need to extend the force of English law into Scotland?
22

Joseph Bloggs,

Edinburgh (Sunny Leith) 26/05/2008 17:33:17
And once again we see the 88rs ( seig hail hailers ) celtic (we sing songs in support of the IRA & Killing protestants but were not bigots) fans blaming all of Scotlands woes on Rangers as do certain people in my clubs support Hibernian also sing in glorification of an organisation that bombed Manchester and many more citys but hey dont let facts get in the way of a zealots agenda, as much as i dislike Rangers as football rivals i cant in good conscience blame them for all the social ills & problems in Scotland like some.Both the old firm have taken great strides in combating sectarianism at both their stadia and beyond with community initiatives. Still both clubs have their knuckledraggers eh 67! who only wish to blame one specific religious community and point blank refuse to accept in any way the part they have played in the religious divisions we find ourselves plagued with in here in Scotland.Ours is political hatred theirs is religious hatred so they are worse blah blah blah .... hate is hate and until you realise this which many do but continue with the one upmanship and pointing the finger of blame. An eye for an eye makes us blind indeed.
Rangers took 200 thousand supporters to Manchester for a european final which dwarfed what celtic took to Seville ye gods we cant have that so its BAN THEM.
Watching sky tv at various points during that day i saw both large Supermarkets to small grocers pile mountains of cheap booze from spirits to beers outside their shops and were more than happy along with the GMP and council watch the money flow into Manchesters coffers.
Out of 200k people (the last time an army that large invaded an English city William Wallace was at its head)less than 1% were arrested i think it was sky news that reported of the 48 arrests only 6 reached court compare that too Celtics run to the final there was more arrests in Blackburn alone than Manchester there was a shooting incident in amsterdam were a celtic fan shot another and fought ru
23

Joseph Bloggs,

Edinburgh (Sunny Leith) 23 continued 26/05/2008 17:37:02
fought running battles on the terraces in Amsterdam also the 747 diverted mid air too Cardiff because of Celtic fans fighting on board and threatening other passengers and flight crew and they were given a fans award .......... (conspiricy?) GO FIGURE!
We have problems with sectarian chants at about every ground ive been to in Scotland From pro IRA chants from my own home ground Easter Road ( we have this just about Eradicated by self policing but its still here) to FTP at Ibrox anti catholic and the FTQ anti prod chants at Celtic park in fact all Grounds and Clubs in Scotland has their bigots although not in the numbers they once had due to the various anti sectarian campains has reduced these idiots to the most venemous hardliners or young neds . The truth however is just bloody pest when pushing an agenda though isnt it my Celtic friends.
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tomfrom66,

Thornton Cleveleys 26/05/2008 18:04:29
Good news, guys!

Gordon's written to John Terry:

" ... to sympathise with him after his penalty miss cost Chelsea the European Champions League title. He wrote to the England international to tell him he was 'an inspiration' and 'a natural leader'".

http://www.orange.co.uk/sport/news/29478.htm?linkfrom=feed_sport&link=link_4&article=sport

Did Celtic get a letter?!

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26/05/2008 19:41:25
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26/05/2008 19:44:23
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Martyk,

26/05/2008 20:44:00
joseph bloggs. LOL

 

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