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Published Date: 16 March 2009
MORE than 10,000 Scottish businesses could fail in the next two years, according to the latest grim forecast on the prospects of companies surviving the recession.
About 75,000 UK firms, one in 50, will collapse over the course of 2009-10, according to accountants and business advisers BDO Stoy Hayward LLP.

BDO's Industry Watch Report said that would equate to 5,000 business failures in Scotland this year and 5,500 in 2010. Experts said this would have a devastating effect on small businesses north of the Border.

The economy is contracting at its fastest rate since the Second World War, with the number of business failures increasing by 59 per cent by the end of this year. In 2008, 22,600 firms across the UK went bust, but analysts warned the worst was to come. Shay Bannon, head of business restructuring at BDO Stoy Hayward, said: "The deteriorating economy and expectations of a drawn-out recession have led to a downward revision in the UK outlook and have severely impacted the survival rate of UK businesses."

Worst affected by the downturn across the UK will be firms in real estate and construction, where 3.2 per cent of firms – 10,300 – will close, followed by manufacturing where 2,300 businesses – or 2.3 per cent of companies – are predicted to go to the wall.

This is put down to falling corporate demand, shattered business confidence and a slowdown of 1.8 per cent in consumer spending. Investments are also forecast to fall by 15.6 per cent this year.

Colin Borland, of the Federation of Small Businesses Scotland, said the figures were alarming for Scotland, where around 275,000 of 280,000 companies employ fewer than ten people. Business failures were particularly harmful for smaller firms as these often employed more than one family member and loans were secured against homes, he added.

But Mr Borland said: "Smaller firms are also more adaptable to adverse market conditions. They don't have to present their ideas before a board and find it easier to scale back in one area more quickly than larger companies.

"At the moment, the priority seems to be business start-ups whereas it should really be survival. That is what everyone is focusing on."

Liz Cameron, chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, said the downturn seemed to be affecting traditional industries that survived previous fall-outs.

She added: "The key to halting the projected increase in business failures is firmly with providing access to finance at competitive and affordable rates. Finance remains the key to sustaining many Scottish businesses and we must all do more to ensure businesses get support."

David Lonsdale, assistant director of CBI Scotland, said the figures were in line with the business body's own forecasts. He added: "It is not surprising that a number of companies are predicted to fold given the downturn in the economy, the problems of cashflow and the lack of proper access to finance."

He urged the UK and Scottish Governments to take action on the access to credit. Some smaller firms in Scotland were particularly struggling as access to finance was more difficult, he said.

However, Mr Lonsdale said there could be a silver lining with transport, energy and housing infrastructure projects due to go ahead: "A lot of Scotland's financial services industry is much wider than banking. Insurance, investment advice and fund management – these areas should take on even more importance during a downturn and will pick up."

The report came out ahead of the national economic forum on Wednesday when John Swinney, the Scottish Finance Secretary, will pledge to increase the pace on his economic recovery programme.

JOB centres have been closed in some of Scotland's worst unemployment hotspots, fuelling accusations of government complacency.

Hundreds of Job Centres across the UK have closed in the last six years – and more than 50 have shut in Scotland, according to research by the Conservatives.

The closures have even hit areas where unemployment has almost doubled over the last year, such as Haddington in East Lothian, where the jobless number surged by 97 per cent, and Galashiels, where unemployment soared by 93 per cent.

Theresa May, the Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary, said: "This just goes to show how complacent Labour has been about Britain's growing unemployment crisis. Instead of providing extra support when unemployment began to rise, Labour continued their programme of Job Centre closures. Now unemployment is almost doubling in some parts of Scotland and there simply aren't the resources to cope."

But James Purnell, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said the government was spending an extra £2 billion on staff to help people have their claims processed quickly.

"The fundamental thing is we are spending an extra £2 billion to have more people working for us to be able to help people have their claims processed quickly and help people get back into work quickly.

"It is harder for people to find work at the moment; it's very worrying for people around the country and we are dedicated to making sure we help people get back into work as quickly as possible, as well as sorting out the banks, investing in the economy, getting all this solved at a global level, so we keep as many people in work as we possibly can."

Analysis from the TUC published yesterday showed that in some parts of the UK, there are ten applicants for every job.

In one example, a communications post at a Scottish council saw applications from exceptionally high-calibre candidates from the Scottish press.


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  • Last Updated: 16 March 2009 1:33 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Unemployment
 
1

Forward not Back,

16/03/2009 00:10:30
Gerri, do catch up!
2

Peeablo,

Back to the 70's 16/03/2009 00:36:15
"Labour still isn't working"
3

Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 16/03/2009 00:49:43
Sooner or later- vote Labour - get economic chaos!
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 00:55:41


"10,500 Scottish firms to go bust by end of 2010"

Is that all?, I think this figure is well underestimated, and how many will be unemployed?
Grim times ahead are certain!

5

Statsman,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 01:05:36
A wonderful dividend of the union.
6

Julian.,

edinburgh 16/03/2009 01:28:11
Charles,

Very poor article. What do these figures mean on their own? Apart from being just estimates the article doesn't say how many went bust in the last 2 years. If 10,000 went down the tubes in the last 2 years then 10,500 in the next 2 seems not too bad.

Also, how many new firms will start up in the next two? Maybe there's going to be 10,000 new start ups. Who knows. As I said, very poor article.
7

Julian.,

edinburgh 16/03/2009 01:33:28
Statsman,

I can think of a couple that would have gone down the tubes under Prime Minister Salmond who, like Gordon Brown and all the rest, failed to predict all this...RBS and HBOS;-)
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 01:36:50

Julian ~6/7,

Indeed Julian, Indeed!

9

Julian.,

edinburgh 16/03/2009 02:26:03
Charles,

Nice to see someone on the same wavelength...it's a rare treat after the mauling I usually get in the tram debates:-(
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 03:01:17


Julian ~9,

'Come-Hell-or-High-Water', at the end-off-day, we will all benefit from the "Trams", and will love our new transport system!, none-the-matter, what anyone says!!



11

Julian.,

edinburgh 16/03/2009 04:46:17
Charles,

Would be nice to see a bit more of you on the tram articles.

I can think of one or two names who'll still be whinging on their death beds...and no doubt they'll be strongly opposed to line number 9 being built.
12

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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 16/03/2009 05:21:10
the problem seems to be e return to confidence, that is what is stiffling job opportunities? Oh I don't know, I'm only a pensioner, what do I know about economics? not a lot....... notice the papers are full of articles on how to save etc. and how to make cheap meals.......perhaps our grannies could help us with their memories of hard times in the past?
14

Masterpiece,

16/03/2009 05:28:51
Could it be that the media is the biggest culprit in creating this economic mess, followed of course by the government and the greed of those householders and banks who wanted to see their profits and house-prices rise no end.

Maybe greed for a story and also money was at the root of this partcular difficulty.
15

Sonare,

16/03/2009 06:33:28
There are two 'fallouts' still to come to reaisation that seem largely overlooked.

There are thousands of young house buyers who are coming to theend of there mortgage period, who have loans tht were in excess of 100%when their properties were valued at 20 - 30% more than they are now; nad on re-motgaging the best they will get is 80% of the now decimated value. Thy will have to find tens of thousands of a deposit to stay in their home. They have recpuse to claim agains t their mortgage broker though, who usually will have received
a ouple of thousand pounds for getting them in this mess. The btrokesr Professsional Indemnity policy ususally coners negligence even if the broker has gone bust. Much litigation and knashing of teeth to come!

The second 'fallout' is the pensions shortfall. Unless the investment markets get back to values of early last year there has to be agreement to reduce benefits, otherwise the shortfall amounts are potentially so vast that the economy will not overcome the financial pain in most of our lifetimes...

Apologies for the negative start to the day.

Feel very doomy somehow....!
16

donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 16/03/2009 07:27:52
It's all the SNP's fault. Alex Salmond should never have eaten my hamster.
17

Nikostratos,,

16/03/2009 07:45:27
The shame is Alex and the snp are unable and unwilling to work together with anyone to tackle this economic crisis.

Labour,lib dems and the Tory's owe it to Scotland to vote down the snp and take over the Governance of Scotland.
18

harvey05,

eh 16/03/2009 07:59:25
Off topic but, Charles what wonderful benefit is there for the people of Edinburgh from a single tram line that goes from Haymarket to the airport?
Who does it actually service?
Do you order a taxi from Gilmerton and get off at Haymarket to wait on a tram to take you to the airport? or do you just go round the bypass and go straight to the airport?
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16/03/2009 08:10:20
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/03/2009 08:13:16
Wake up Unionists

You can't deny the Scottish Government proper economic powers and then go on to blme them when economic disaster hits.

When you retained economic powers in Westminster you retained the blame when it all goes wrong.

Enjoy
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Darien,

Panama 16/03/2009 08:36:32
#20: Cyclical? This is terminal. The UK is finished(socially, morally as well as financially).

Independence and rising oil prices are the ONLY hope for Scotland.

Scotland, if it remains a pitifull region of the UK, will only become even more of an impoverished basket case non-country, much as it is today.
23

arc of insolvency,

16/03/2009 08:37:38
10,500 Scottish firms to go bust by end of 2010 - Alex Salmond spends all his time pushing his own Independence agenda. Absolutely pathetic time to vote this arrogant self interested joker out.
24

walter,

16/03/2009 09:00:10
If only we had a independent Scotland under the SNP non of this would happen.
World economies collapsing all around except an independent Scotland's.
25

John south of Soutra,

16/03/2009 09:03:52
Julian, I wouldn'tbe pleased at being on the same wavelength as Charles, I'b be extremely worried as none of his post usually make any sense
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Sage99,

Inverness 16/03/2009 09:11:55
Banking Problems and the resulting business failures - Thatcher's Legacy to the People of Britain

Let us older and wiser ones among us not forget that the banking system before the difficulties of 2008 were very much run by Thatcherites along Thatcherite principles of free market forces, and self interest - or as some of us might put it, greed, selfishness, love of money, with an irresponsible attitude towards the interests of others and, at best, indifference to the condition of others, and, at worse, a malicious pleasure at others difficulties.

How ironic that the banking bastions of Thatcherism are being saved from ruin by the hated and despised social government formed by the British social party using socialist principles. What a pity that Labour could not leave them to collapse, as did that other bastion of Thatcherism, Peter Clerk’s Plessey company.

And how lucky we are to have a social party in power - for if Thatcherite Tories were in control the banks would have been left, under free market forces, to collapse - and all the problems of the last century of economic depression, fascist parties, the destruction of the European monarchies, and ‘great’ wars would be the problems of this century - and MIGHT STILL BE, if we do not actively support the struggle of Labour and socialist parties across the world to avoid them

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Josiecamp,

San Francisco 16/03/2009 09:18:18
Predictions are not confined to Scotland's business and industry alone, we are making similar forecasts in this country and no doubt many other World economies are aligned to the panic of recession. The most recent meeting between the G20's Financial gurus (Lower Beeding England) have stated confidence in the steps that have been taken to stimulate and even nationalize much of the banking system (with the exception of Canada whose monetery system has always been the world's most stable)and a few months may see an upward trend and within a year recovery should be well on the way. Scotland will recover and the industry and skills of Scottish workers will sustain business and the job market. My own country is no longer the catalyst for recovery, as it should be, but Mr Obama must be more agressive in his stimulus plan. This comes from a Democrat.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 16/03/2009 09:21:55
29 what planet are you posting from ? Labour socialist ? My bahookey. If they were socialist they would have really nationalised the banks instead of just throwing money at them. Labour are the bankers best friends they are letting them away with murder. Sensible people know that this crisis in capitalism is inevitable, but Labour have made it much much worse than it had to be.
29

Sage99,

Inverness 16/03/2009 09:36:55
30 Josiecamp,San Francisco 16/03/2009 09:18:18

"(Lower Beeding England)"? :)

Explain please.

30

Sage99,

Inverness 16/03/2009 09:38:46
31 Observer,,Glasgow 16/03/2009 09:21:55

I completely disagree with every single word of your **** comment!
31

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 09:51:23
Once again I feel I have to debunk this myth that Labour are "NOT socialist".

They are the most socialist Government ever to have power in the UK. Need proof? Here:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5581225.ece

Some areas within the UK have 70% of their economy run by the state. 70%! To put that into perspective, the countries that came out of the Soviet Union had LESS state control than this. Factor in that the state now own the majority of our high street banks and the picture becomes even worse. This is a very scary and dangerous position to be in with the state wielding powers that most 20th century dictators could only dream of.

Sage99. Still believe we live in a "free market" economy? Socialist lies. You say "free market" like it's dirty but how can we truly be liberated with out a liberated market and free choice to buy what we want?!

It is impossible to have the distortion in the markets that we have seen without state involvement. Numerous cases have came up and been brushed under the carpet but it becoming blatantly obvious that this Government is corrupt to the core. Taking bribes left, right and centre.

Another quick point. People keep saying that Scotland would never have coped with RBS and HBOS if it was independent. Here's a crazy idea... they have went bust... why not let them go bust?! All the good bits would have been bought by outside investors and we would not have to throw trillions of taxpayers money at them. Simple.

Rant over.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 16/03/2009 09:56:56
34 Your aff yer heid. Labour have brought us state capitalism. That is not socialism.
33

Observer,,

Glasgow 16/03/2009 09:58:30
33 It is customary in debate to explain why.
34

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 09:59:16
Sage99

I have said this before and will just repeat it:

Nazis = National SOCIALISTS
Stalinists = International SOCIALISTS
Maoists = International SOCIALISTS

So out of the three worst dictators ever to live, who between them have killed nearly a billion people. Could you please point out the capitalist that is pro-small government with limited powers and who supports the free market?
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Darien,

Panama 16/03/2009 10:01:08
#33 Sage: I see the New Labour 'socialists' are still in denial.

Lets be rational. The UK and USA are home to most of the world's major banks, and that is why these two nations in particular hold a disproportionate share of the world's toxic debts. These nations sought to be, and did become, global financial 'powerhouses'. But it was all a pack of cards. London is a drain on Scotland. London's dodgy banking system is taking the UK and therefore Scotland down with it. The only way out of this mess for Scotland is independence coupled with increasing oil revenues. London and the rest of the UK is bust, and certainly hold no future benefit for Scotland as being part of it, if it ever did.
36

Observer,,

Glasgow 16/03/2009 10:04:02
37 Stalin and Mao were psychopaths not socialists. Capitalism is responsible for more deaths than both of them combined because it puts production for profit ahead of production for use. Every three minutes a wean dies in the world - un-necessarily.
37

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 10:07:12
Observer

State Capitalism? I'm sorry but i fail to see how the state controlling capital isn't socialism.

Maybe I just don't fully understand the term. Could you explain?
38

Observer,,

Glasgow 16/03/2009 10:09:32
40 Labour have socialised the debts but left the profits in private hands. Socialists believe in production for use, not for profit. Labour don't.
39

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 10:12:03
39 Observer

Mao and Stalin may have been psychopaths but they got into power because they were in countries ruled by socialism and they were socialists. Socialism inherently leads to totalitarianism. Give me examples (states have adopted true socialism) where it hasn't led to totalitarianism? I can give you plenty where it has...
40

Observer,,

Glasgow 16/03/2009 10:16:22
42 We haven't seen a socialist government yet. I don't think we will, because people are too greedy. It's more of an aspiration than a realistic objective. But don't make the mistake of thinking that state capitalism is socialism because it isn't. Totalitarianism is totalitarianism whatever it chooses to call itself, there have been evil men who control things since recorded history began, they weren't all socialists you know.
41

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 16/03/2009 10:18:26
We are all doomed. We know that already.
42

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 10:19:10
41 Observer

I 100% agree with that statement but the reason is not because they are capitalists. The reason is because they are corrupt socialists. If they were true capitalists then they would have let the banks fail... and therefore not socialised the debt.

Maybe I use the term socialists to much, when I should be using the term statist but the reason I use it is that all statists start out as good minded socialists that are corrupt by power and greed.
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Faux Cul,

16/03/2009 10:26:39
Brown has just been quoted as saying that the rate at which Britain gets out of this recession will depend on the degree of co-operation by the within the international community.(my paraphrase) Merkel has said no more money until we see what has happened to the last lot, the French agree with Germans and the USA will let Gordon know what they have done, after they have done it.

So, the recession which started in the USA, according to Gorgon, will be fixed by somebody else, or not at all, and Gorgon is not to blame at any level.

You couldn't make this up.
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Faux Cul,

16/03/2009 10:30:30

Independent Mind,
# 40

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 10:07:12


Would you not say that China is a State capitalist society?

One party state, central dirigist yes, and capitalist yes.

One party state also.
45

Faux Cul,

16/03/2009 10:31:30
Sorry weird copying of phrases happening.

Gorgon at work?
46

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 16/03/2009 10:44:21
47 Faux Cul

I think China is a very interesting point. My personal opinion is that despite claiming to be a communist state they are far from it and are slowly being liberated both socially and economically by very clever politicians.

The transition from full communism to free market capitalism cannot be made in one jump. Politicians in China are aware of this and are making the shift in a gradual manner. It's no coincidence that as China has become more capitalist their standard of living and international power have increased.

I think the current economic problems will be the straw that breaks the camels back and pushes them faster towards liberal capitalism.

An interesting point is that their Premier carries a copy of Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations with him wherever he goes, something Thatcher also did.
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Tartan Viking,

16/03/2009 10:44:28
thanks Lyebour voters. A special round of applause please for the brave voters in Glenrothes too. Well done to you all.
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 16/03/2009 11:20:03
LET THE LABOUR LOSSERS SPIT THEIR BILE AGAINST ALEX AND CO,WHO CARES WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE ALL YESTERDAYS PEOPLE.

WHEN THE UK ELECTION COMES ROUND THERE WILL BE NEW FACES IN No10,BUT IT WONT MAKE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO SCOTLAND IN FACT IT WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD TO HAVING CONTROL OF OUR OWN COUNTRY.

WE HAVE MORE THAN JUST OIL,OUR ASSETS ARE HUGE WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE LIVING HERE THAT WHO CAN MAKE SCOTLAND WORK AND PROSPER.
JUST GIVE THEM THE CHANCE.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!

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Stan Butler,

16/03/2009 11:20:48

'We didn't mind the economic side so much'.

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rifkin,

ottawa canada 16/03/2009 12:23:47

just like to make some comments in that for a number of years we in Ottawa have listened to our friends and relations coming here and telling us how much their house is worth and how they were able to finance it with zero down and mortgages higher than the value of the house etc-although envious without exception we all shook our heads as it just didn't make sense-being human we find it now hard not to proclaim "we told you so" but really the fault as we all now lies with the lenders but given their financial incentives we would probably have acted likewise.

The lesson being that if it sounds too good to be true then it probably isn't-in all fairness perhaps some good will come out of it all.
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rifkin,

16/03/2009 12:27:03

in case anybody reads it-should read "is too good to be true"
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Dr Mike,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 12:28:36
The answer is NOT easier access to more commerical credit!!!!!!

The answer is businesses that are efficient, financially solvent with cash in the bank and no borrowings, and with prices set at realistic and sustainable levels.

Yes, that means wages being restrained, putting profit into paying off debts rather than flash cars and monogramed carpets, and employees who are trained, knowledgeable and who actually work all of their hours. Growth should be organic rather than by acquisition. Prices for services in particular need to fall back to sensible levels based on an hourly rate that doesn't smack of profiteering.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

16/03/2009 12:45:39
sm753

"And what is a "LOSSER"?"

It's a cross between a loser and a to$$er.
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Scotfree,

Erskine 16/03/2009 12:51:52
If Brown were employed as an economist or financial director in a major firm the board would be checking his CV and no doubt be alarmed to find that he has no qualification for the job and was in fact a professional student come history teacher whose only work on economics was a treatise on dissimilitude for students to dupe hotels and party goers in getting free drinks and snacks or using the bru to skive dole money.
Not since Churchill has one prime minister presided over such a decline in the UK economy and Churchill had 5 years of WWII to contend with. Despite this Brown has proceeded over a decline from 4th to 21st economy in the world league and left us more in debt than even under Churchill. Characteristically he remains the weasely sneak as of student days denying all responsibility for his actions and craving praise for his every act of blundering incompetence.
Unfortunately it is the rest of us who have to pay for this, as he has never had a proper job he will have no appreciation or interest in the loss of small firms or the suffering involved, as they would in any case never be contributors to the labour party unlike his non-dom Mafia friends.
Worst of all for Scottish business is the realisation that instead of being at the heart of a European gulf state economy our oil wealth has all gone South to fund the M25, the Channel tunnel, endless wars from the Falklands to Iraq, to bankroll 20 years of City speculation and whatever else took the fancy of a perfidious grasping Albion whose short term greed is only matched by it’s long term stupidity and decline.
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Marga,

Edinburgh 16/03/2009 13:01:41
Scotfree, don't forget Blair. Incestuous lot these labour people. See this mind-boggling article in today's Guardian:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5914665.ece

Pensioners hire Cherie Blair to sue Sir Fred Goodwin and RBS

In spite of her renowned hatred of Brown, Mrs Blair has an interesting take on the problems with the British banks:

Although RBS and the funds are British, they can bring the lawsuit in the US because RBS conducted a significant amount of business there. Ms Booth said: “Most of the problems that have brought the bank to its knees have originated and have been concealed in its US operations.”
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 16/03/2009 13:05:50
Why we should have let the UK fail is a step to far for old redsox aka Bill Jamieson, but it's going to happen anyway. The UK itself is only a construct of international bankers who were on the go a long time before its 300 years or so of existence. That Britain's manufacturing capability was laid waste and the education and engineering that goes with it is nothing to them. Raking the pieces of this destitutional monarchy will always be a profitable excursion.

Scots for Independence could be first step in remedying this dire prospect for Britons. We only have to vote for it!
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Highland Mist,

16/03/2009 13:19:14
If you journos would give us some good news we'd really start likeing you more. This is all so totally distressing I'm not even going to read it any more.
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Richard Lionheart,

16/03/2009 13:38:31
Don't worry, Gordon Brown will make a key policy announcement and then everything will be "alright".
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The Browne Gothic,

16/03/2009 13:59:53
Adherance to the customer service contract may assist in company stability. How often have you walked into a store or business and walked out immediately in self defence of the growing trend of cultural activites. Customer Service is the root and foundation of success
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 16/03/2009 15:46:34
54#
LOSSER=LABOUR SNOBS.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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Scunner,

Aberdeen 16/03/2009 16:55:17
Scotland could easily make it on it's own.
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livilion,

livingston 16/03/2009 17:24:19
70 sm753,
so what you are saying in effect is (fingers in ears) 'lalalala I can't hear you, lalalala I can't hear you', and don't want to anyway...

Where else could a petition with 2million signatures out of an electorate of under 4millions simply be ignored?

'full possession of all the key facts'
Aye nice one, I don't need to be a former political printer from the 70s to recognise b/s when I smell it.

'key facts' being the Scottish economic basket case, the new Bangladesh, NS oil revenue hardly worth the bother and exhausted by 1998 used to finance the channel tunnel project and the building of the M25 London Orbital Motorway, government agent provocateurs and police recruiting impressionable youngsters to frame as terrorists, officials spreading disinformation and civil servants abandoning their supposed neutrality to undermine Scottish national aspirations?

I am staggered that individuals like you who would call themselves Scots so despise their own country and countrymen that they would accept any keech thrown at us just to keep the rest of us subservient to Westminster's whim.

Just goes to show, you CAN fool some of the people all of the time, and you are one of them, or is it: none so blind as those who don't want to see?
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David MacVicar,

web 16/03/2009 17:37:01
72 Livilion,
You are wasting your time.
You cannot get through to kowtowing sycophantic lickspittles like sm753, who do not consdier themselves Scottish anyway, they are but vassals of the British state.

Like Gordon, no price is too high to save the Union.




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Josiecamp,

San Francisco 16/03/2009 18:41:31
#32 Sage,
Lower Beeding, England; site of recent G20 Finance Conference.
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Iain's,

Barcelona 16/03/2009 18:51:45
Scotland voted Labour at the last election. ENJOY!

You are just reaping the results.
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotland 16/03/2009 20:59:54
All this talk, talk, talk, yet Maggie Broon and his Darling continue to desecrate the country, heaping untold debt on each and every one of us, aye and our children, for years to come. This guy's going to need to be dragged out, possibly as per a most wanted poster!!!
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BillyC,

Paisley 16/03/2009 21:38:37
What a load of mince....There will be no firms going bust....Gordon Brown has banished bust don't forget!
www.paisleyexpressions.blogspot.com
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Bansidh,

USA 16/03/2009 22:24:11
To number 40.let me explain. When the state controls the finances for the good of the people , that is socialism. When the state controls the money for the good of giant corporations, that is Fascism.
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livilion,

livingston 17/03/2009 11:15:20
76 sm753
As a young printer, in the days of the IBM golfball typesetter before the advent of the pc and the internet, I was asked to print these lies and deceptions which, curiously these days, do not appear to have been archived.

However no-one will be surprised to hear of Labour candidates in 1978-79 turning up at the printers' in Armani suits, driving 5series BMWs, only to change into thrift shop suit and beat up Ford Cortina to go press the flesh with the prols. It's a tradition still alive and well today amongst the 'Lanarkshire Murphia'.

It wasn't all one way, at Garscadden the SNP candidate(a confirmed pacifist who'd done military service with the occupation forces at Hiroshima) up against Saint Donald Dewar, stood on his soapbox outside Yarrow's warship yard and declared if elected he would press his party to abolish the navy. St Donald got elected.

It might be interesting to have a look at re-runs of the political commentries of the day and news programs or back issues of the Daily Record, Evening Citizen and the Scotsman which missled the electorate here into accepting the 'too wee, too poor, too stupid' line from the likes of Willie Ross, Bruce Millan and their confederates.

As I said: None so blind...
73

Sage99,

Applecross 17/03/2009 18:03:03
74 Josiecamp,San Francisco 16/03/2009 18:41:31

Thank you.
74

The Pict.,

Canada/Edinburgh 23/04/2009 04:23:35
# 71 I know where you are coming from. Once the 'canny dae that' crowd have 'passed on' the younger group of Scots will see the light. We (most) Scots have been made to believe that we can't do anything by ourselves. This is deliberate brainwashing inflicted on us by the English. But more and more of us realize what'has happened and our voices will prevail. The most annoying part of this for me is when Scots are put down by other Scots.
Why we ALL can't see that we are paupers in our own land and do something about it IS BEYOND ME. Like COMMON SENSE.

 

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