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Published Date: 10 September 2008
JOHN McCain, the Republican presidential candidate is gaining ground on Barack Obama across the board following his introduction of Sarah Palin as his running mate.
The first post-party convention poll, released yesterday by ABC/Washington Post, shows Mr McCain gaining on Mr Obama in nine key policy areas on which respondents were questioned.

Mr Obama maintains a single percentage point lead in the pol
l, 47 per cent to Mr McCain's 46.

Mr McCain's decision to pick the Alaska governor as his vice- presidential nominee has seen him for the first time overtake Mr Obama in numbers of white women voters. He already has a majority of white male voters.

Before the Democratic Convention in late August, Mr Obama held an 8 percentage point lead among white women voters, 50 per cent to 42 per cent, but after the Republican Convention last week, Mr McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 per cent to 41 per cent, the poll found.

The poll also shows Mr McCain has recovered his lead on national security issues and is making ground on the economy, once Mr Obama's strongest suit, with the gap between the men now four points.

The boost to Mr McCain is indicated in the first poll to show the state of play after each candidate enjoyed his post-convention "bounce".

Most notable has been a 12 point jump in Mr McCain's fortunes when voters are asked who is the candidate for "change" – Mr Obama still leads, 51 to 39, but Mr McCain's decision to add "change" to his own voter message appears to be working.

"The pick of Palin was a game-changer," said Philip Klein, a columnist on the American Spectator. "One of the things Obama had benefited from was that he's this great new story, but she's made him old news."

Part of the reason is that since Mrs Palin exploded on to the scene last week, the Obama camp has been stumbling.

Mr Obama himself has reacted clumsily to Mrs Palin, highlighting her lack of executive experience in comments that focused voters on his own slim resume with only three years in the Senate

"Obama needs to get his mojo back," said Thomas Defrank of the New York Daily News.

Yesterday, Mr Obama hit back, dismissing the latest polls as unreliable of longer-term voter intentions.

"These are the same polls that had me twenty points down last summer," he said while touring the swing state of Ohio.

One bright spot for Mr Obama concerns the polls in the states that matter. Victory in November goes not to the candidate with the most votes per se, but the one who captures the key states and their all-important electoral college votes.

And on this basis, Mr Obama is heading for victory – albeit of the wafer thin variety.

These polls show that the states voting Democrat in 2004 will do so again, while three Republican states – Colorado, Iowa and New Mexico – will turn "blue." That would give Mr Obama victory, but only just, even if he fails to win the big states of Ohio and Florida.

But pollsters caution that their own polls are too changeable for predictions to be made.

"It's running so close right now that anyone who says they know who's going to win is talking rubbish," said Mr Klein.

What makes it so volatile is the deep unease many voters have about both candidates.

Mr Obama scores highly for his call for "change" but many voters doubt he has the experience. Mr McCain is heir to a wildly unpopular Bush administration and, at 72, would be the oldest-ever first term president.

Even his choice of Mrs Palin has voters in two minds. While her no-nonsense message about family values resonates with millions, she is coming under increasing scrutiny.

Yesterday, the American press reported that the governor had been claiming thousands of dollars of state cash to fly her husband and children around Alaska while drawing an accommodation allowance for nights spent at home.

Attention now focuses on the four debates, three between Mr McCain and Mr Obama and one between their vice-presidential nominees, over the 55 days of campaigning that are left.

...but Obama has backing of 22 other countries

BARACK Obama may be struggling to nudge ahead of his Republican rival in polls at home, but people across the world want him in the White House, a new poll reveals today.

All 22 countries covered in the poll would prefer to see Mr Obama elected US president ahead of Republican John McCain. And in 17 of the 22 nations, people expect relations between the US and the rest of the world to improve if Mr Obama wins.

More than 23,000 people were questioned by pollster GlobeScan in countries ranging from India to Australia, and across Africa, Europe and South America.

The margin in favour of Mr Obama ranged from 9 per cent in India to 82 per cent in Kenya, while an average of 49 per cent across the 22 countries preferred Mr Obama, compared with 12 per cent preferring Mr McCain. Some four in ten did not take a view.

GlobeScan's chairman, Doug Miller, said: "Given how negative America's international image is at present, it is quite striking that only one in five think a McCain presidency would improve on the Bush administration's relations with the world."

The countries most optimistic that an Obama presidency would improve relations were his country's Nato allies – Canada (69 per cent), France (62), Germany (61), Britain (54), Italy (64) and Australia (62 per cent).







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  • Last Updated: 10 September 2008 12:57 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: John McCain , US elections
 
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10/09/2008 00:46:06
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 00:47:29

Well what did I tell you all,?

NO Answers,?

I will ask again!

What did Charles tell you all in the last few weeks,?

NOT a Clue,?

OK!

Charles told you all, the Americans are very family minded and hold family values!

Bring a 'Baby' into the equation and don't believe in abortion!

'Of-Course'!,..

.."JOHN McCain, the Republican presidential candidate is gaining ground on Barack Obama across the board"

Good on them!
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 10/09/2008 00:52:15
...and Obama has the backing of 22 other countries! Now if this poll isn't playing the "Race Card" I have no idea what does.
The countries at the bottom all have racial problems and perhaps think that if Obama wins, it will be normal and reflect well on the hanky-wringing society they live in.France,Germany,Britain and Italy are awash with immigrants (don't know about Canada or Australia,but they have their problems to).Every thing to stop having to stand by their ideals, in the hope that the problems will just go away. Extremism is here to stay until it is forcibly stopped.Obama will be a disaster in the White House if he gets that far.A hanky-wringer of convenience.His Freudian slip as to "his muslim religion" on TV was prophetic indeed.
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mike - across the pond,

hey wally 10/09/2008 01:36:06
I notice that you never got back after I asked you to watch the video on the site YOU linked... I even went and dug it up for you to look at http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=119707

and compare their "conspiracy theory" description....

and the "conventional wisdom" description...
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_mccain_crash_five_planes.html
you have to scroll down a bit... the first myth they debunk is the 5-planes... then they talk about your myth

so why did your conspiracy theory not match the footage THEY had on THEIR site? typical sloppy garbage conspiracy theorist "work"???

you SAY things that dont match up with the facts wally...

btw... pay particluar attention to the 0:53 mark of the video... when the FIRST missile "cooks off"... had McCain still been in the plane we wouldnt be having THIS conversation...
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 10/09/2008 01:48:27
Mike, I already told you that the videos on this available on the internet today do not match the one I saw many years ago on the tv documentary. So I discount them, something has gone wrong. The information is manipulated. How do you explain that McCain's shipmates from USS Forrestal have protested against him over this and think he caused the deaths of 168 people? you know Mike, just because a particular story is on the internet doesn't make it true.
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mike - across the pond,

wally 10/09/2008 02:20:10
MILLIONS of people have seen that video.... for nearly FORTY YEARS...

I saw them when I was in the military

the explanation we heard way back when is the same one as is on FactCheck... it matched the video then... it matches the video now...

are you claiming that this "conspiracy" has been in the works for nearly 40 years?

wally come ON

if it HAS been, then nothing you, I or McCain himself can do will mean ANYTHING... its all pre-ordained from before any of us were born....

dont you think?

and yes wally THATS what I have been saying "just because a particular story is on the internet doesn't make it true." SNIFF-TEST your myths and links dont pass the SNIFF-TEST...

Like I said before, I had a friend who was on the Forrestal in the late 70s... we talked about that incident in the context of carrier disasters... he never mentioned anything like your myths... and something like that WOULD leave a trail of scuttlebutt behind... dont you think?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 10/09/2008 03:11:27
Mike, I already told you what I think. The video I saw many years ago in a tv documentary was different. and I've explained to you why,it was from a different angle and focused only on McCain's jet. So, I can't say that the video you've been showing is false, just 2 different videos. and I seem to remember that the tv documentary did say McCain caused the accident. as I told you once I believe the internet info available today has been manipulated.

but at this link following they have a video of a guy that was a prisoner of war with McCain and who knew McCain from their days at the naval academy.

http://www.planetarymovement.org/go/american-politics/video-%11-former-pow-says-mccain-is-not-cut-out-to-be-president/

Lots of McCain's fellow prisoners of war are strongly opposed to him and say he collaborated.


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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/09/2008 03:24:40
Joe Biden has said that having a woman on the ticket is a Step Backward!!!
Obama has said that putting lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig..!! (In response to her saying the difference between a hickey mom and a pitbull is lipstick!!)

Every time the democrats open their mouth against women and Sarah Palin, they LOSE votes. Older and middle aged white suburban women are turning against Obama.

Keep it coming BO.. instead of taking on McCain, take on Sarah. Real smart. I bet he's kicking himself now for not allowing Clinton to be his VP, and treating her the way he did. Good going advisors. You are making it easier.

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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 10/09/2008 04:51:02
As I said here way back when Osama got the nod..HE HAS NO CHANCE. NONE.

After the disaster that was the Biden pick he has less chance than that..

He is an opportunist, and the Americans will never allow him to be president. The Democratic elite are fuming at their choice of Osama.Edards if he could have kept his, you know what in his pants would have won this thing in a cakewalk.

How on earth could they have lost this election. This will go down as the biggest screw up in political history. Bet on it.

All the best.
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57Nomad,

california 10/09/2008 06:04:33
#9 Wally

Here's one of those prisoners you talked about:

"On Christmas night 1970, the North Vietnamese moved Kirk into a 45-man cell at the prison Americans POWs dubbed the Hanoi Hilton, where he met McCain. They spent the next four months becoming close friends, talking politics and sharing memories of their college days, and Kirk remembers how McCain's quick wit often lifted the spirits of his fellow POWs.

"He's extremely intelligent and tells the greatest stories in the world," Kirk said. "He could almost be a stand-up comic. He's very funny, the life of the party. He has a wonderful personality."

Even more important, Kirk said: "He's a man of absolute integrity and honor."

Despite devastating injuries, McCain rejected the possibility of early release offered by the North Vietnamese because of his father's status as an admiral."

A collaborator? You really are whatever it is that lies below pond scum. He turned down a chance to come home because the code of honor among the prisoners was the guy there the longest went home first. What is the matter with you? Here is the configuration of the planes on the deck of the Forrestal at the time of the fire. As you can see, the F-4's one of which you claim shot the Zuni because McCain was goofing around ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CARRIER!!!!!!! Furthermore the nose of McCain's A-4 was pointed toward the center of the ship and the jet nozzle was pointed out to sea.

You're lying, aren't you Wally? There is no way whatsoever that what you are saying could possibly be true unless the laws of physics were briefly suspended to allow for the exhaust from McCain's jet to exit out over the sea where it was pointed and then do one of those rare 180 degree turns, shoot all the way across the deck and hit the F-4. Explain that, toadstool, and maybe someone will believe you.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/09/2008 06:10:09
5 - give it a rest, eh ?
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Richardinho,

10/09/2008 06:32:10
If anyone wants to watch a video that proves that McCain is not fit to be president, I'd suggest the 'bomb bomb Iran' one.
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Cappo Del Monte,

10/09/2008 07:21:53
#13
He cant hes was taught the cut and paste buttons at school yesterday
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 08:04:04
surely not America, please don't do it, not that geriatric and that nutjob.
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john z,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 08:36:01
Can you imagine waking up in america to know one of the most incompetent presidents in History, George Bush, has just effecively been re-elected.


McCain is no different to Bush, he has all the same policies, and all the same macho war mongering stupidity.

The greedy american people will re-elect the republicans because they think they'll get tax discounts. They don't care about human rights, healthcare or equality for all.

Modern Americans are really very backward people. Seems over the last eight years they haven't learnt anything. Enjoy your tax cuts america, but just don't come crying when you ain't got healthcare, education or freedom, and America becomes a christian theocracy. Kiss freedom goodbye.
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john z,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 08:37:52
And as for Palin - OMFG!!!!

Wake up America. PLEASE!!!!
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loonie Tunes,

10/09/2008 09:07:43
Sarah Palin has not answered any questions as yet, the RP are sheltering her from the media.
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11+failed,

the pans 10/09/2008 09:28:26
Don't you just love to see democracy in action. George Bush Jr one of the most unpopular Presidents ever. The heinous Hillary with her scheming disgusting husband has her perceived "divine right" to the candidacy "stolen" from her by a young unknown with better "black" credentials than herself. The lack-lustre McCain trailing in the polls and trying to distance himself from Bush chooses an "unknown" woman running mate with a bit of life and character, suddenly the contestants are neck and neck in the opinion polls. The contest proceeds!
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écossais at heart,

france 10/09/2008 10:44:50
As long as religious beliefs continue to have such a strong influence on, and play a predominant role in, American politics, then the US will always be regarded with suspicion from the rest of the world whether lead by a Democrat or a Republican.Get religion out of politics and get on with the job.
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57Nomad,

california 10/09/2008 11:08:43
I am so heartened by your interest in our upcoming elections. But, as it turns out, that is the extent of our interest in your interest. We have been governing ourselves for four hundred years. There is not one single country on the face of the earth that even comes close. No kings, no dictators, just ordinary Americans who rotate our CEO every four to eight years. We will give the nobility franchise to you, you've made such a go of it. You may strut and utter your clever and witty observations and feel all kinds of superior. We just roll up our sleeves and work our butts off every day and that's just the way we like it. Keep your Great Men, they have brought you nothing but war, ruin, and desolation. You are welcome to them. What we look for is an honest and sincere American that holds fast to our traditional values.

We don't need to led like a bunch of forelock tugging yokels who need their "betters" to look out for them. Ok, if that's cool with you, it's cool with us. As for us, we can take care of ourselves, we don't need the state to take care of us. We are free men and we can stand on our own two feet. If you can't and fear that you aren't good enough to see to your own needs then go begging to the state, all they will require in return is you obedience. You do it your way, we'll do it ours.

So, whatever contempt you pour on us, we are used to it. We, and this may come as a surprise to you all, hold the same opinion of you. A bunch of spineless jellyfish, that's our opinion of you. As for leaders, how do we know who you'd elect because you don't get to vote for your Chief Executive.

You vote for MP's and it is they who appoint the Prime Minister. In America every voter gets to vote for our chief executive so it's kind of silly for you to mock the way we do something that you aren't allowed to do.

We feel sorry for you because you have become a pack of second rate has-beens, toothless, effeminate, and impotent, that couldn't stand up to the Ser
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57Nomad,

10/09/2008 11:14:23
#24 contd.

We feel sorry for you because you have become a pack of second rate has beens, toothless, effeminate, and impotent, who chickened out when the Serbs were running amok,(with hearty apologies to the Brits who remain the same deadly ass-kickers they always have been), weenies. No wonder you resent us. Everyone resents the top dog, that's only natural. But until each and every voter gets to vote for their chief executive like we can, we aren't interested in you opinion, except for comic relief.
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Miss Pixie,

formerly of Dinlayhaughfoot Cottage, Roxburghshire 10/09/2008 11:29:27
McCain, in my opinion, is riding on the dragging skirt of Ms Pallen. He is using her to get what he wants.

Before the final November vote Republicans need to figure out who they are REALLY voting for; Mr McCain OR Ms Pallen.
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Kelvino,

NY 10/09/2008 11:36:18

World. . . . see what we are dealing with here ?
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Pistol Pete,

10/09/2008 12:29:52
Let's see a potential president when saying (party conference)CHANGE, his intonation crackles due to age and a running mate who has a 17 year old preagnant daughter - and that's good. Like always, anything goes in the US and it is pure comedy. Hearing McCain's speech as was in tears of laughter!
At least McCain won't be voted in twice as he will be wheeled off to an old folks home by his second term.
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Pistol Pete,

10/09/2008 12:38:36
Also - Due to the fact that China, India and Russia will be the superpowers soon it does not really matter even if Bush were allowed to stay. US has lost on all grounds since Clinton was out of the white house. So an old codjer and a flighty bimbo running a soon to be x superpower does not matter...
Bring in Obama though.
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Kelvino,

Moose Misery Junction, NY / US of F-ing A ! 10/09/2008 13:56:56
Pistol Pete:

Here in Prozac Nation, we vote for the appearance of leadership, not the substance.

I honestly think we've had it as a world leader, as our population has become increasingly ignorant and defensive, as you can see by some of the above posts. These folks should stay on their meds and away from the general population. They are armed with news sound-bites, religious fantasy, racial hatred and national superiority. Watch out, world. . . .

However, more and more, they ARE the general population; arrogant, ill-informed, overworked, overtaxed, bitter, "God-fearing" ( God especially loves that !) and prone to psychotic outbursts of undefined nationalism.

Other populations with such behavior have not fared too well in history; we are treading the same path.
We don't need enemies to destroy us when we have
an adult population that cannot even FIND Iraq on a map !

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Quiet John,

Tinley Park 10/09/2008 14:04:51
McCain has won. Obama knows it, and is so desperate he even called Sarah a pig. Very Presidential of him.

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mike - across the pond,

miss pixie.... 10/09/2008 14:21:22
for me,

McCain brings an interesting problem to the table, he IS a septugenarian... meaning that for ME, I have to be comfortable with his VP...

I AM

therefore to your question about who I am Yes, I am voting for McCain AND Palin.
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Let's have the truth,

In a bomb shelter 10/09/2008 14:24:29


"Obama's camp also noted that McCain once used the same phrase to describe Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan".
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mike - across the pond,

lhtt 10/09/2008 14:41:05
its good you put context in there...

I've heard the soundbyte several times in various lenghths BO's comment was apparently directed to the GOP campaign... not a plank in the platform as was McCains...

this spells HUGE trouble for BO... pushing people off "the fence" who he should be pulling to his side...

gaffes come, gaffes go, this one may be more than BO intended
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ebbi,

spain 10/09/2008 14:52:47
for how long do we have to endure this painful and low quality circus???
there are two clowns in it and either one of them will make it but it won´t make any difference to the troubles of the world.america and its corrupt capitalism and political system is the root of all misery in the world.
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Kelvino,

Mule Deer's Oasis , NY 10/09/2008 15:49:44
Sarah is uniquely qualified to be commander-in-chief, should the need arise.

A) She knows God's plans. . . always a help !
B) She's familiar with firearms. . . "hold still,
Bullwinkle while I pump some lead into ya'!"
C) She has exhibited virtually NO knowledge of
international affairs and will, therefore, be ripe
for manipulation from the likes of Wolfowitz, Pearl,
Cheney, etc. Duck and COVER !
D) She has a clear-cut idea of "right and wrong" as
many Christian Americans do, and will be tempted to
DROP this love of Jesus and democracy from 20,000
feet on helpless civilians, as is our American
custom.

READY FROM DAY ONE !
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JG,

Fife 10/09/2008 16:05:28
#24 57Nomad

"you don't get to vote for your Chief Executive"

And you lot made such a good job of voting for yours the last time, eh? At least you have the excuse of not bothering to count the votes properly the first time. If you're losing, just ditch the papers that would swing it away from you and carry on, right?

"A bunch of spineless jellyfish, that's our opinion of you."

And everyone thinks of you as a bunch of shoot first, ask questions later (irrespective of who you are shooting at), gung ho John Wayne wannbees with no sensible foreign policy. I've been to the US quite often and met quite a lot of pleasant, imtelligent people. Surely you can do better than this!

Oh, and 57 Nomad - if you think so little of us why do you keep making comments on these pages?
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Sandi,

San Diego 10/09/2008 16:35:51
#10 Lynne,

Please don't lump all Democrats in with Obama. He's the one doing the name-calling, along with his followers.

#33 Let's have the truth

That is true, it is a well-known phrase.

However, and this is rather important, Obama used that phrase - and the way he said it reminded me of the way W did the "Fool me once..." thing - a week after the Republican candidate for vice-president, the sitting governor of the state of Alaska, referred to the difference between pitbulls and hockey moms being "lipstick". Obama called this woman a pig, in public, on television and enshrined on youtube. How badly does he want women to vote for McCain? They're leaving Obama in droves.
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 10/09/2008 16:40:19
Nomad is right on..hey I am a Scot, now living in Canada.

I,m just back from Scotland. Wendy Alexander..What a laugh..how does she compare to PALIN.Was she elected..Joke Mconnell..what a dud. Gordon Broon. Tell me was he elected??

You may despise the good old USA. However I sure appreciate them as neighbours.

All the best.
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Sandi,

San Diego 10/09/2008 16:41:03
#36 Kelvino,

Remind me again exactly what foreign policy knowledge/experience Obama has? And HE wants to be president, not VP, although he does seem to be running for VP at the moment.

Living in Indonesaia for four years as a child does not count, nor does a trip to Kenya to visit family , or the recent vacation in Europe.

What would have counted was holding meetings of the subcommittee he chairs, but he didn't have time because he was running for president
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JG,

Fife 10/09/2008 16:54:06
#39 Dekester
No son, none of them were 'elected' by the country BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S DONE HERE.

George Bush "what a dud. Tell me was he elected??" SADLY, YES!!!

(P.S. I DON'T despise the USA!!)
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Kelvino,

Tundra Flatts, NY 10/09/2008 17:15:47
Sandi: / #40

You've brought up the MAIN issue between the candidates and, in my estimation, it boils down to this:

1) The "experience" that we all would hope for in our candidates does not always translate into positive action. All of the main problems we collectively experience appear to have ben orchestrated by those with "experience," no ? ( CIA inability to forsee 911 attacks even after being warned, Bush attacking the wrong country for WMDs that never existed, predatory lenders, ol company profiteers, etc. etc. ) These problems were entirely orchestrated by seasoned "experienced" professionals. . . .except that their judgements have been mostly been WRONG !

2) You are correct; Obama has little, if any, direct foreign policy experience that I am aware of. My perception of him, however, is that he is an extremely intelligent, pragmatic person who would have the ability to weigh all sides and come up with reasonable solutions. This, of course, is a leap of faith on my part, having read a couple of his books and carefully listening to his speeches. I would assume that he would assemble a staff of that would reflect his own
judgement. We live in a very competitive, intertwined world, not the world of John Wayne any longer. We may face the wrath of the rest of the world if our future behavior is a continuation of the last 8 years. We don't need international sanctions. . . on US !

3) If given the choice, I will ALWAYS side with brains over flag-waving and a babe-parade.

4) Sarah is just like us ? Who needs that ?
Why don't we all just throw our hats in the ring then ?

5) The election HAS shifted in perception to Obama- Palin, not Obama-McCain. Everyone knows that McCain is already starting to sound like some old coot and may not live through four years. Sarah becomes the Babe-in-chief ! She may sell a lot of eye-glass frames and lipstick, but she's certainly not commander-in-chief material.
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Sandi,

San Diego 10/09/2008 20:15:58
#40 Kelvino,

IMO, Obama doesn't have any judgement of his own. He wasn't in the Senate for long enough to learn how it works before running for president-something he, himself thinks he didn't have the exeprience to do.

You don't have to wait to see who he would assemble to advise him IF he were elected. Just take a look at the foreign policy advisors he has now, all 300 of them, and be afraid, very afraid.
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Kelvino,

Delusion Peaks, New York 10/09/2008 20:35:35
#42

I can see that your ability to understand all sides is impaired. You have a lot of company in this regard.

Intelligence seems to involve the understanding of all sides, yet the judgement to decide a hopefully-positive direction.

The inability to at least comprehend all sides of an issue is what we call ignorance, seeing only part of the picture, making decisions based on feelings and partial info. Most of your comrades want simple answers to complex, ever-changing issues.

God save the USA from the ever-downward spiral of
lazy minds and blind nationalism !
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57Nomad,

california 10/09/2008 20:46:33
#37 jg

jg said:

"Oh, and 57 Nomad - if you think so little of us why do you keep making comments on these pages?"

Let me ask you the same question, if you think so little of us Americans why do you keep making comments on these pages?

Except for being dumb enough to phrase your thoughts in such a way that it begs for the above slap-down, you've asked a legitimate question.

There are a couple of reasons. My comments are directed at those who make scurrilous and mean spirited comments ABOUT my country, and question the intelligence and integrity of the American people. Do you think this is the kind of thing that Americans are going to quietly roll over for? You maybe, not us.

Secondly, if you will take the time to look, all of my posts are in the "International" section of my beloved SCOTSMAN. If you don't want people from other nations replying to the comments in the "International" section then maybe you should write the paper and ask them to do a little Monty Python deal and change the name of the section to the "Not so International" section.

Thirdly, I live in California, six thousand miles away from Europe and it's a wonderful opportunity to converse with people that I would never get a chance to any other way. Look, JG from Fife, if you take a shot at someone you can expect return fire. If you don't like what happens in a fight, don't start fights. Your posts are a series of undiluted insults at America and the American people. Hey, we're all one big happy family here on planet earth and sometimes even the most loving families have their little spats.

It's no big deal, JG, all in fun.
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57Nomad,

california 10/09/2008 20:58:54
#41 Boogie

Boogie said:

"Oh right. In the pursuit of world peace and harmony, we'll come to you for inspiration then shall we?"

No, we don't want you to come to us for anything. You're doing quite well with your long string of winners from Napoleon to Slobodan Miloševic.
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mike - across the pond,

kelvino... lets apply your metrics to BO.... ju 10/09/2008 21:16:15
A) he knows God's plans. . . sat in the pews for 20 years of "G*D D*MN AMERICA" so... whatever he does wont matter anyway
B) he familiar with the disenfranchised... after he gets thru raising taxes we'll ALL be out of a job so maybe he'll be able to help us all
C) he has exhibited virtually NO knowledge of
international affairs and will, therefore, be ripe
for manipulation from the likes of CARTER, Gore, pelosi, and the Clintons!
D) he has NO clear-cut idea of "right and wrong" and therefore will not be tempted to STICK to any one position... wavering back and forth like a reed in the breeze

good comparison?
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57Nomad,

10/09/2008 21:48:21
#35 jg

jg said:

" At least you have the excuse of not bothering to count the votes properly the first time."

Here jg is referencing the Florida 2000 election. The votes were counted, all of them, on four separate occasions the results were always the same, Bush won.

I wonder, jg, since you are the resident expert on vote counting, what do you make of this.

"The May 3 elections for the devolved assembly and local authorities were chaotic, with a complex election system, long delays before the results were announced, and over 140,000 spoiled ballots."

Full article:

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/row+over+scottish+election+continues/762652?intcmp=rss_news_itnnews

The much maligned and ridiculed Florida election of 2000 hinged on a few hundred votes. Florida has more eligible voters than the entire population of Scotland. The Florida contention revolved around the validity of several hundred votes. Somehow a nation of about 5 million people lost 140,000 votes.

How do you square this with your snarky, "At least you have the excuse of not bothering to count the votes properly the first time."

I mean, really, 140,000 votes?!?!?!?!? How many people are eligible to vote in Scotland? If 2/3s of the population is eligible to vote (thats just a wild guess) that would give you about 3 million eligible voters. Out of that 140,000 ballots were discounted.

Democracy is a messy and troublesome business. We all try as hard as we can to better our countries and to leave them a better place for our children to grow up in. We are no different than you in that regard. But, just looking at the numbers, about 5% of your voters were disenfranchised. The squabble in Florida is minuscule in comparison. Physician, heal thyself.
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Kelvino,

Trick-Track Valley, NY 10/09/2008 22:20:17
#46 -

This is the type of nonsense that I had mentioned in my posting # 43. Your ravings are true to AM radio profiteers and pose a real threat to a free America based on facts, not personal fantasies.

So, where are all the racists out there? We're not hearing from you ! Stand up and tell it like it is !



46

JG,

Fife 10/09/2008 22:55:55
#44 57Nomad
Take another look at the comments - YOU were the one who started hurling insults. I defended MY country against YOUR scurrilous remarks on what is essentially a SCOTTISH newspaper. Of course anyone is free to give their views on these boards but it's a bit rude to be insulting, then expect you'll be made welcome. By all means disagree with what's said and take a shot at slapping me down if you like; but bear one thing in mind - I AM NOT DUMB!!!
47

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/09/2008 23:21:04
the Democratic hits just keep coming. This is why women are leaving Obama in droves.


Today, on the floor of the House of Representatives, liberal Democrat Congressman Steve Cohen (Memphis) equated Barack Obama to Jesus, thereby furthering liberals' absurd belief that Obama is the Chosen One sent to save the world. Then Cohen outrageously compared Sarah Palin to Pontius Pilate.


"If you want change, you want the Democratic Party," said Cohen. "Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister just prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor."

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57Nomad,

california 11/09/2008 00:25:33
#49 jg

Thanks for the heads-up. JF there is a problem with the posting numbering on this thread. I referred to your post #37 but you didn't post #37. Then you referred to my post #24. JG, poster #24 is Ms Pixie, not me.

Perhaps we weren't talking to each other at all. This is getting suspicious. I would suspect Wally but he's not smart enough. I was not responding to anything you posted and couldn't possibly have since you hadn't posted anything before I did. I was responding to #16, #18, #20 & #21.

Just take a look and you will see that's true. Then tell me who took the first shot. I was not responding to anything you said because you hadn't said anything.
49

JG,

Fife 11/09/2008 00:37:50
#51 57Nomad
I see what you mean! And I have to admit I'd have been as riled as you clearly were (well, I was, wasn't I?). This is all becoming far too confusing so I think I'll head off to bed before my head explodes! Good night Nomad and keep on keeping on!
50

mike - across the pond,

kelvino 11/09/2008 01:55:25
so what was the difference between YOUR list and mine?

only MINE would be found on AM radio? really?
51

57Nomad,

11/09/2008 07:09:07
#27 pp

pp said:

"US has lost on all grounds since Clinton was out of the white house."

I'm sure Saddam Hussein agrees with you.
52

57Nomad,

california 11/09/2008 08:04:52
#5 Wally

Wally said:

"How do you explain that McCain's shipmates from USS Forrestal have protested against him over this and think he caused the deaths of 168 people?"

No one, not one person on the Forrestal believes in the Wally version of this story and there is a very good reason why. Your case, Wally Rickenbacker, is based on what you call a 'wet start." Wally, look up the term, "afterburner." Afterburners are devices that pour jet fuel into the fuel already ignited in the combustion chamber of the engine. To wet start a jet, "dumping fuel into the combustion chamber before the engine is lit", is only possible on a plane that has afterburners. If there are no afterburners then there is no way to do that. Can it be any simpler? Guess what the A-4 Skyhawk has a single, Pratt & Whitney, J-52-P-408A non-afterburning, turbojet.

So, tell us Wilbur "Wally" Wright, how did McCain "wet start" a plane that has no afterburner. Bearing false witness in prohibited (see entry #9 Ten Commandments).
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57Nomad,

california 11/09/2008 09:12:34
#21 eah

eah said:

"As long as religious beliefs continue to have such a strong influence on, and play a predominant role in, American politics, then the US will always be regarded with suspicion from the rest of the world whether lead by a Democrat or a Republican.Get religion out of politics and get on with the job."

The US will be regarded with suspicion? Not like France, everybody trusts France. Just ask the Czechs. Just ask the Algerians. For that matter, take of poll of the British people on 'which country do you trust the most," and see where you finish.

But, back to your point. I am genuinely appalled at your lack of cultural insensitivity. Aren't there laws against hate speech in France???

Get religion out of politics? This is from a European, the continent where the people have been slaughtering each other over religion for the past 600 years. Yeah, you're in a very strong position to criticize the most religiously tolerant country in the history of the world, dumbass.

Now to the heart of the matter. Your basic contention is a wrong as wrong can be and shows your utter and complete ignorance of American history or American culture. Here's a couple of things that may have escaped your notice. I mention them so that, having learned something, you will, in the words of your former president who graciously told new entrants to the EU that they had "passed up an excellent opportunity to keep their mouths shut."

Engraved on every single US coin are the words, "In God We Trust." Our feeling about religion and government don't need to be defended by me so I will offer you some comments from people you may have heard of.

"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." George Washington

"“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George
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57Nomad,

11/09/2008 09:14:06
#56 contd.

"“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington

“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained” George Washington

"And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson

" It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The last sentence of the Gettysburg Address, Abraham Lincoln.

So thanks for your advice, Monsieur Ribbit, but we are a religious people. We love our families, we love our freedom, and we love our country. Now pay attention, we believe that all of the marvelous bounty bestowed upon us is supplied by Divine Providence. We believe this with all our hearts.

We have no expectations that this will ever be greeted with anything but a dismissive contempt from people like you. But your opinion means absolutely nothing to us. We'll do things our way, you do things your way. We have no problem with that. And despite the rain of ridicule we have endured from the French even though we have never lifted a finger against you or any of your interests, we are still grateful to France and always will be. When we were experiencing our greatest test, and in the darkest hours of the War of Independence, it was France that came to our rescue. Without France, there would be no USA and we all know that. We also appreciate Lady Liberty which was a gift from the heart of your nation.

We should
55

57Nomad,

11/09/2008 09:17:17
#57 contd

We should try to be friends again.























56

mike - across the pond,

wally 11/09/2008 16:05:01
our difference is I lack your "hate" for McCain...

I'm not exactly a kool-aid drinker, but I dont have your vitriol....

I'm telling you, I saw the same video from YOUR link, that I am asking you to look at NOW.... granted that was 30 years ago... and I do not have perfect memory, but it doesnt strike me as being substantially different... and the description from the factcheck IS what we were told happened...

30 years... McCain wasnt even in government then... and certainly not "on the radar" for president... what advantage would there be to "scrub" his name in the mid-late 70's? from here... it would make sense... from there... not so much... there are simply FAR too many of these things to "scrub" them all on the off chance that one individual might become "influential" 30 years in the future...

I guess my point is... on the scale of likliness of "nefarious motives"... the "conspiracy theorists are FAR more likely to fabricate BS to prove THEIR point than the "just the facts, ma'am" crowd is... especially if you only accept "evidence" from the time of the incident....

I dont doubt you saw what you said you saw, what I (and the rest of what you would call "deniers") need is to SEE it too... there are LOTS of "documentaries" that have VERY questionable data sources... look at all film wasted on the JFK conspiracies...

it simply being "gone" does not prove that it was true... if it were false, and the producers of the little fantasy tale had their little butts sued off... it would be gone too.... dont you agree?
57

Trade-wind,

USA 12/09/2008 07:00:32
I have said it before, but I will say it one more time. Listen close....we don't give a rats a** what you bunch of socialists think about America. Maybe next time you need someone to pull your fat out of the fire, we will just tell you to go .....off. You really are a bunch of ingrates. Just nice that you are also a minority and running your mouths doesn't have much effect.
58

Scullion,

Canada 30/09/2008 02:01:07
#60, I'd soften up on that "socialist" insult. Your government has nationalized the largest insurer in the world and you are just about to spend almost a trillion $ buying banks out of trouble (it will pass through the House next time).
All hail the United Socialist States of America.

 

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