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Published Date: 30 June 2008
ROBERT Mugabe, who lost a presidential election heavily rigged in his favour 13 weeks ago, yesterday had himself installed as Zimbabwe's head of state for a sixth time before flying off to an African Union summit intent on defying any of his peers to denounce him.
The Mugabe-appointed Zimbabwe Electoral Commission (ZEC) said the 84-year-old incumbent won Friday's run-off presidential election, in which he was the only candidate, with 85.51 per cent of the vote.

It took ZEC five weeks to announce the results of the first round of presidential elections in March, which Mr Tsvangirai won. This time, it took less than 48 hours.

Figures published by the ZEC showed Mr Mugabe with 2,150,269 votes compared to 233,000 for opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai, who withdrew from the election a week ago. There were 131,481 spoiled ballots.

A disputed 29 March presidential election was won by Mr Tsvangirai, who received 47.9 per cent of the national vote against Mr Mugabe's 43.2 per cent, according to the ZEC.

However, Mr Tsvangirai and his Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party said the challenger had won more than 50 per cent of the vote, enough to have had him installed as Zimbabwe's new president without the necessity of a run-off.

Mr Tsvangirai withdrew from the run-off last week, arguing the decision was unavoidable in order to save his supporters from further suffering after more than 100 were killed when Mr Mugabe launched a reign of terror against his own citizens by security forces.

Mr Mugabe has already been in power for 28 years, and will now reign until he is in his 90th year. He was sworn in at a ceremony at State House, his official residence and headquarters in Harare, and was greeted with a 21-gun salute and a flypast of Chinese-made air force jets.

Mr Tsvangirai was invited to the swearing-in ceremony as a "gesture of engagement", but rejected it as "meaningless". An MDC spokesman said Mr Mugabe's self-appointment, following his defeat on 29 March, was an "absolute joke" and an act of desperation.

Earlier, in a series of interviews, Desmond Tutu, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former Archbishop of Cape Town, who was one of the foremost opponents of apartheid in South Africa, urged the international community to intervene to restore peace in Zimbabwe – by force, if necessary.

Archbishop Tutu said the African Union's 53 heads of state, who today begin their annual summit in Egypt at the Red Sea resort of Sharm El Sheikh, should refuse to recognise Mr Mugabe as Zimbabwe's legitimate president.

"If you were to have a unanimous voice, saying clearly to Mr Mugabe, 'You are illegitimate and we will not recognise your administration in any shape or form' then I think that would be a very, very powerful signal and would really strengthen the hand of the international community," said the archbishop.

In Sharm El Sheikh last night, as AU officials awaited Mr Mugabe's arrival, the organisation's peace and security chief played down prospects of sending military peacekeepers into Zimbabwe.

"It's not easy to send a peacekeeping mission anywhere, and it's usually the result of negotiations, of a peace plan to be implemented," Ramtane Lamamra said. "I am not sure that the situation in Zimbabwe corresponds to that particular situation."

Zimbabwe and Mr Mugabe's election "victory" are sure to overshadow the official summit themes concerning water and sanitation.

The African Union – Mugabe's opponents and allies

ANGOLA

The most surprising criticism of Mugabe came from the Angolan president, Jose Dos Santos, who has been one of Mugabe's staunchest allies. In a message sent to Mugabe yesterday, Dos Santos said he welcomed the Zimbabwean's statement that he is open to negotiations with MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai.

BOTSWANA

Botswana's president, Seretse Ian Khama, is the only African leader so far to make an official protest against Robert Mugabe's reign of terror. Botswana has seen its population of fewer than two million invaded by 800,000 Zimbabwean refugees. Mr Khama said he was "deeply disturbed" by Mugabe's politically-motivated arrests.

KENYA

Kenyan prime minister Raila Odinga has called on the international community to demand that Mugabe steps down from power, describing the run-off vote as a "shame to Africa".

MOZAMBIQUE

The government of Mozambique has called for renewed dialogue between Mugabe's Zanu-PF party and the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) to solve the crisis. "We lament the loss of human lives (in the period before the first election on 29 March and before the uncontested run-off on 27 June], and hope that the injured make a speedy recovery," a statement read.

NAMIBIA

Namibia's Swapo government has been an unwavering ally of Robert Mugabe, and last week the country's foreign minister, Marco Hausiku, described reports of electoral violence in Zimbabwe as "unverified rumours". The "Swapo Elders Council," comprising top party members, issued a statement blaming western countries for the crisis and urged Zimbabwean citizens to vote for Mugabe in the run-off.

TANZANIA

The handling of the Zimbabwe crisis by Tanzanian president Jakaya Kikwete, current chairman of the 53-member African Union (AU), has been severely criticised by Amnesty International. In a statement, Amnesty said Mr Kikwete's silence on Zimbabwe has been "deafening and is contrary to its own principles of respect for human rights and the rule of law".

ZAMBIA

Zambian president Levy Mwanawasa has said: "What is happening in Zimbabwe is a matter of serious embarrassment to all of us."


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1

Silence of the Yams,

30/06/2008 00:34:04
Mugabe's criminal regime is the reality of Sub Saharan Africa post colonial rule: Despair, ruin, collapse, murder, rape, theft...and those are just the good bits!
2

Dragon's 'tale',,

Transylvania 30/06/2008 02:59:31
James Donald, AKA Vehm Geright, why don't you stand up and fight, rather than getting people banned from commenting at the Scotsman. This is your last taunting and mocking message to my friend Linus, who you had banned right after this comment. Let's all take a look at your comment to Linus before you had him banned, and everybody please notice how he trails off at the end of the message to rub it in. Stand up and fight boy, don't have people banned.

241 Vehm Gericht,Helgoland 28/06/2008 17:48:07
#236 Linus,at arm's length - Sarcasm is easy to detect as is the BS of a Chicom troll. You are no more a "reporter" than I am and I doubt you understand a word of German (even though you have been there sooo often).
Looks like it is time to change IDs again......

Now all can see what a slimeball and lowlife Vehm Geright AKA James Donald is. Don't worry, Linus will be back.

PS Dragonhead suffered the same fate, and that time it was by James Donald, before he hid his identity under the Vehm Gerict name. I'm sure you all remember Dragonhead, our favourite commentator from China.
3

fife runner,

30/06/2008 05:45:32
thought this was about Mugabe. No one being serious can class Brown with Mugabe.
4

Pilrig.,

Livingston 30/06/2008 05:48:27
1 - sounds a bit like Scotland after a Saturday night.
5

Media 1,

cape town 30/06/2008 07:03:15
In the first election, the one he lost. It took 3 weeks to get the results released. This weekend, it took just 14 hours.
Mugabe thanked Mbeki for his support during his innauguratiion speech, a sign that our president is indeed a supporter of crimes against humanity. Zimbabwe has been free since the early 80's and democracy is supposed to be the order of the day. There should be a system of governance that sees one leader out and another voted in within a peaceful transition following an election, but not in Africa.
There has been rumours of a joint government taking shape in Zimbabwe and that Mugabe needed to win this election in order that his life was spared. He knew if he lost he would be dragged off to Brussels to face charges of crimes against humanity.
It is becomming a tendency in Africa to ensure that the dictator murderers find a peaceful path into retirement as opposed to facing charges. It also seems that African nations are almost forced into power sharing deals in order to avoid more bloodshed at the hands of the dictators.
I feel the best way to deal with Africa is to lump her into one big bundle. THEN, if one nation finds itself in a position like Zimbabwe now finds herself, then the ENTIRE continent will be placed under international sanctions until the African union sorts it out. Drastic measures for drastic situations!
Africa is a disaster and I for one feel that she is some 500 years behind the rest of the world. A primitive continent indeed.
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Mr Lucky,

At my computer. 30/06/2008 09:29:02
He didn't win then did he? Wow, what a shock turnaround in this election. Bob Mugabe wins election in which he is the only candidate.
What I think is appaling is that after this charade of democracy (why did they bother counting the votes, who else was there?) is that he is still recognised as the legitimate president of Zimbabwe by many neighbouring countries.
Africa does really need to do something to sort out this disgrace, but I won't hold my breath.
10

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

30/06/2008 10:01:09
7...I suspect you are writhing with the fury of being treated to a dose of your own medecine...lap it up and learn....
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30/06/2008 10:52:40
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weary observer,

Wisconsin - USA 30/06/2008 12:15:45
"Silence of the Yams" states it clearly -

All goes back to 19th Century conference of European countries dividing up between them the countries of Africa simply for their own enrichment and power.

Our American government began following suit far too soon after the deaths of our Founding Fathers, to the great shame and disappointment of a good many of us. Enough of us? I can't yet tell, yet there are no truly good leaders in the offing.

Well, one can follow this pattern all the way back, to The Garden if you will....

Some, but only few, of us humans ever truly take into our souls the SIMPLE dictum: Do to the other what you would have him do to you.

sigh...
13

Don Swazi Hose,

Windhoek 30/06/2008 12:17:47
It is very how our African leaders love power. The situation is already at hand so the best thing we all can do for the people of Zimbabwe is to give all the support we can to the and to their President. Long live Mugabe, may you do your people proud this time and try and sort out the mess you put them in. God Bless Zimbabwe. All other leaders should not judge Mugabe because they may also find themselves in the very same blander. "Judgeth not or ye shall be judged" Salute.
14

Niadh,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 12:22:17
#12 Go find another room to vent you spleen.
This is not the place for such bitching.
If you want to get your own back i would recommend you do so with reasoned argument rather than insults.
Carry on with such comments as you hav displayed here and i'll be the one requesting your banishment.

PS I am in no way related to any other commentor and have only ever had this ID. So don't even think about trying the accusation line on me.
15

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

30/06/2008 12:32:39
12...Goodness that was rather OTP and uncalled for...I'm rather confused as to your vitriol, which I believe, is thoroughly undeserved...however you are obviously in need of expressing your frustration and rather it were I than some poor unsuspecting poster who had no dabblings with you....
16

Steve McGregor,

Dundee 30/06/2008 13:10:37
#6. Media 1
"There should be a system of governance that sees one leader out and another voted in within a peaceful transition following an election, but not in Africa".

That is exactly what happens in Tanzania. Isn't Tanzania in Africa?
17

Steve McGregor,

Dundee 30/06/2008 13:20:47
The only stupid thing about Africans is They forgive far too easily. Here in the west, we still punish the NAZIs and their associates wherever and whenever we find them. Yet we applauded Mandela for forgiving the BOTHAs and their criminal henchmen.
Mugabe should be beheaded, and so should the Old south african apartheid perpetrators. Crime is crime, no matter who committed or when was it committed.
What do you think of that media 1?
18

weary observer,

Wisconsin USA 30/06/2008 13:36:27
#14: "Judge not lest ye be judged" refers to we humans speaking judgment of the state of the soul of another. Taking an assessment of the ACTIONS of others, plainly visible to all, is quite another matter altogether. Otherwise we would not have been instructed to watch and observe the actions of others. "By their FRUITS you shall know them."
19

ReadingPublic-2,

Wisconsin 30/06/2008 14:13:53
This guy should be assassinated politically.
20

postmark55,

Chongqing, China, 30/06/2008 14:41:24
#15 Niadh,
If I want your opinion, trust me, I'll ask for it.
21

postmark55,

Chongqing, China, 30/06/2008 14:54:57
##15 Niadh,
Nobody accused you of anything, but you're already defending yourself, sounds like a sign of guilt to me. I could care less as to who you are, but the above mentioned James Donald aka Vehm Gericht fights dirty when he loses an arguenment, and resorts to having people banned. Now my language has been kept clean, I'm not racist and don't discriminate, yet I was banned. I followed Linus's posts for the last couple of weeks, and he kept things clean and no sign of discrimination, but he too got the upper hand on James Donald, who at this time had switched ID's to Vehm Gericht, so therefore he too managed to get himself banned. Same thing happened to two other friends of mine, one was Dragonhead, and the other was Bugsy. Now go back to post#2 and you can see him taunting Linus where he trails off at the end, telling him it's time to change ID's again.
At post number 9 he as much as admits to being James Donald, except he claims that he lets James Donald use his ID. The guy can't even lie well, everything he does is half baked, and you better hope that he agrees with you, otherwise you'll suffer the same fate.
22

postmark55,

Chongqing, China, 30/06/2008 15:01:14
#16 Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,
I did not say anything to you that you don't deserve. Remember your Beijing Diner stories and how eating whang was a Beijing Olympics event? That was foul and disgusting, and you flooded the comments section with that disturbing little story of yours. You are a disgusting pig, and you never get your facts about China straight, you just quote lying western reports. You will run China into the ground whenever you get the chance, and I don't take kindly to that. So don't go acting all innocent when I chew you a new one, accept it for what it is, and grow up.
23

Media 1,

cape town 30/06/2008 15:01:42
Steve Mcgregor

Personally, I wanted the apartheid regime to be held accountable for their actions, but the powers that be decided to opt for a truth and reconcilliation process. That is what both sides wanted!
Tanzania has been quiet of late, but again this nation like most African nations was a one party state run dictatorship within a democracy. In fact the first truly democratic elections were held in 1995. So how long it will be until another uprising is anyone's guess.
You speak about Apartheid as if you know a thing or two about it, but you dont. It was a shocking system we all hated it, hence why the referendum was a resounding 92% for a fully democratic society, we were always united, we just werent allowed to advertise it. And another thing, comparing apartheid to what is happening in Zimbabwe is outrageous. During apartheid most people had work and a roof over their heads, there was order but the system was unpallatable. In Zimbabwe people in their hundreds of thousands are fleeeing for SA, they are being beaten and tortured and displaced within a country that is NOT under apartheid rule. So there is absolutely NO comparison.
The old SA was a minority ruling a majority under a strictly one sided constitution, whereas Zimbabwe is an independent country.
24

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/06/2008 15:31:15
The only thing almost as disgusting as the behaviour of Mugabe is the apperant willingness to accept this behaviour as some how excusable.

The strong push by the Dictators Club that is the AU for some sort of negotiated settlement that will leave Mugabe in power is absolutely disgusting.

Almost as disgusting as the liberal white guilt over Africa that stops Western Governments from enacting the kinds of sanctions that would bring about regime change.

Simply cut them off from the international payment system. No remittances, No forex, No way to move money and this teetering economy would collapse within weeks.
Is it really that more humane to use targeted sanctions that drag out the misery for years? Best just to knock the whole rotten edifice down in one fell swoop.
25

postmark55,

Chongqing, China 30/06/2008 15:34:30
Media 1,
I can honestly say that I'm saddened by what has happened an is happening in Zimbabwe, but I question interference from any western nations. It wasn't all that long ago that we had colonized most of Africa, showed them our system, and when we left, they went right back to where they were before we had entered the scene. Now in my opinion we need to let them sort it out. We really can't turn the clock back and make things like they were before, Africa will not accept that, for we as westerners are not reading the same book as them, never mind being on the same page. I agree that something needs to be done to stop that horrendous situation there, but I truly feel the western interference is not what Zimbabwe needs, it needs to let them sort it out, and in time it either will or it won't, I don't have a crystal ball to tell you the outcome. I just hope that they come up with a positive solution, and I hope that they do that real soon.
26

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/06/2008 15:40:29
#23

Are you sure it wasn't the ministry of Barbarian Affairs that got you cut off because you are embarrassing China?
27

Media 1,

Cape Town 30/06/2008 15:41:07
Postmark

I have been saying the same thing for years. If you lived here you would note the difference in the way white and black people live, holiday, relax, shop, eat, work, play etc. The two races are completely and utterly different.
I also believe that Africa should be left alone. No foreign aid, no support, no nothing. Just guidance when needed and only when asked for. Africa needs to know what it is like to struggle. They need to know what it is like to invent, innovate and manufacture because you can only run an economy if you have built an economy.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 30/06/2008 15:44:29
#22 postmark55,Chongqing, Red China - "James Donald, who at this time had switched ID's to Vehm Gericht, so therefore he too managed to get himself banned" - Wrong again matey, add paranoia to your list of ailments.
It is only trolls that have to contantly change their IDs when they are banned for their trolling activities such as making multiple posts of the same guff on various threads.
Stick to commenting on the stories in a reasonable tone without lies, insults and disinformation and you won't have to worry about being banned by the editors of the Scotsman (nobody else can have you banned).
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postmark55,

Chongqing, China, 30/06/2008 16:06:25
#27 KampungHighlander,
We've had difference of opinions all along, but I know that you would never try to get me banned, and I sure as hell wouldn't do that to you, nor anybody for that matter, not even the guilty Vehm Gericht or James Donald, he 's one and the same. That boy doesn't play with a full deck, paints himself into a corner, and then resorts to having 4 people banned that I'm aware of, and possibly more. These forums are used for expressing your views and opinions, and if arguments come out of that, big deal, you win some and you lose some, but you go on, and leave the others be. You yourself made a game and mockery out of the Olympic Torch Relay, and I wasn't too impressed by you, but I did not have anything deleted and sure as hell would never try to get you banned.
James Donald openly admits to having said that the "only good Communist is a bad Communist" yet I did not have that removed or try to get him banned, and that statement would more than likely have been enough to have gotten him banned, if somebody had complained.
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postmark55,

Chongqing, China, 30/06/2008 16:16:45
Media 1,
I have never been to Africa, and along with the Middle East, those are two places not on my to visit list. Africa just sounds too barbaric for me, and the Middle East is just too dangerous, can't say I have a death wish. I have been following your posts for quite some time now, some four months now, and you are the resident expert on African affairs, and I value your input and opinions. I have lived here in China a little less than three years now, and I love this country and its people, and it's peaceful and safe here, I never fear for my life no matter how late I stay out at night, and I live in a massive city, but a very safe city. I hope that you're relatively safe in South Africa, but being where you are, I think I would worry somewhat. Let's hope that Zimbabwe and Africa can sort their problems out, from everything I've seen and read it's a beautiful Continent, just horribly screwed up. Good luck to you.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/06/2008 16:26:20
Postmark

There is awesome sights on this continent, but no modernity. If you like wild life and game drives this is the continent you want to visit. But forget city life, forget coffee shops, forget cinema, forget dance clubs or night life, forget peace, forget competence and forget order.
South Africa because of its European influence (Dutch, British) is a modern mecca that would not be out of place anywhere in the world, but even here following almost 15 years of democracy, we have the ANC colonizing everything from the police force to the army, the hospitals, the electricity suppliers, the phone line supplier, the national televsion service etc. ALMOST NO INSTITUTION is safe from their grip!
This country is going the same way and I promise you it has NOTHING to do with apartheid or colonialism.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 30/06/2008 16:48:34
#30 postmark55,Chongqing, Red China - Still not getting the message it seems. I cannot have anyone banned (let alone 4 people) as I don't work for the Scotsman. To state that I have had anyone banned is pure falsehood.
"James Donald openly admits to having said that the "only good Communist is a bad Communist" - I think the phrase is "the only good Communist is a dead Communist"; do try to get it right. Don't see a problem with this since Communists were the biggest mass murderers in the last century.
Feel free to try and have me banned for this. You will discover that it is only the editors of the Scotsman that decide who has so consistantly broken the rules that a ban is necessary.
Unfortunately it looks like nobody is buying your disinformation so, in that respect postmark55 is no more successful than postmark54.
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oder2,

Scotland 30/06/2008 17:12:36
24 Media 1,cape town

good post!
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

30/06/2008 17:14:59
Oh look, Skidmark is brownosing Media1 now...no suprises there eh?...heh heh heh heh heh heh heh...
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 18:05:44
You know, I am not totally convinced that Mugabe is anything more than a thorn in the sides of certain Western powers. That was CERTAINLY the case with Saddam Hussein and look what ended up happening to him.

Contrary to popular belief, pink and fluffy democracy is not always the best way to run a country. Some countries require a considerably more robust approach to power than what we in the developed world regard as "normal" or "acceptable".

A prime example is Iraq. Before we invaded the country, Saddam certainly had it under control. Yes, he may have been a pain in the butt. Yes, he may have tried it on in Kuwait. Yes, some of his methods may have been questionable but he ruled a very difficult and unstable part of the world and more or less made it work.

Since we "won" the "war", we have had nothing but trouble, murders, gun battles, insurgency and christ knows what else to deal with. Saddam had none of that.

Based upon historical experience, I would say that Mugabe is probably the right man to run Zimbabwe. He may not be a very nice man. At times he may be brutal. And he may not hold much stock in "human rights". However, he gets the job done and keeps a potential powder keg of a country more or less stable. I dread to think what would happen if the USA decided to impose their will on Zimbabwe and we were daft enough to follow them.
36

Jay Kay,

30/06/2008 18:28:41
All it would take is one phone call to the Brig at 21st Airborne and this madman would be history, pity Broon doesnt have the balls Thatcher had.
37

Caora Dubh,

Eilean a' Chaò 30/06/2008 20:38:01
Media 1: At least two out of three South African whites openly supported apartheid in one undemocratic election after another, and this goes back way before 1948. Don't believe the United Party of Smuts was anti-racist. It wasn't - it was just somewhat more moderate than the Nationalists when it came to anti-black thuggery.
Hundreds of thousands of blacks were removed from 'black spots' at gunpoint and dumped in the open veld, without roofs over their heads.
The black population was denied proper healthcare, proper education, proper impartial policing that protected THEM from thieves etc. To this day whites are clueless about the number of blacks who died because of inadequate healthcare, protective policing, sanitation, etc. By far the majority of black people killed by apartheid didn't die in protests or in police cells - they died of disease, malnutrition, exposure, poverty.
Media 1: I must say though, that you are an absolute 100% typical Seffrikin white.
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Caora Dubh,

Eilean a' Chaò 30/06/2008 20:49:52
Has Media 1 told anyone about how rich South Africans are squandering South Africa's foreign exchange on luxurious imported 4x4s and sportscars, on quadbikes, wetbikes, surround-sound TV systems and the like? No, of course not! The single biggest cause of South Africa's massive current account deficit is spending on frivolous high-value imported items, some of which gulp down oil that South Africa has to import, too. So in order to balance the books the South African government is raising interest rates ever higher. This means that right now all South Africans - especially the poor majority - are helping to subsidise the luxurious lifestyles of rich South Africans, and suffering reduced job opportunities etc. Disgusting. The same is true of land. Rich South Africans are building expansive villas in walled golfing estates that are chewing up vast tracts of land, so pushing land prices through the roof. This is making it impossible for city councils to buy land for high density housing. South African developers, who have access to some of the most botanically and zoologically sensitive areas on the planet - do not give a goddamn - they bulldoze all plants off the land, dredge all life from extremely precious estuaries such as that at the Admiral's Island Development, and build golf courses right up to the edge of the ocean, so that fertiliser, weed killer etc spills into the ocean. But rich South Africans are such bloody mindless uneducated rednecks that they don't care. Anything to lock out the majority. So you can expect 1789 to happen once again, in South Africa.
39

Caora Dubh,

Eilean a' Chaò 30/06/2008 21:01:23
No one should imagine that Mugabe is The Problem in Zim. He is only a small part of it. From the 1930s onwards Rhodesians had laws that prevented blacks from training to be professionals. The country was bound to collapse because no one had raised a finger to train enough black professionals to be able to run Zimbabwe properly: medical professionals, engineers of all descriptions, teachers, veterinarians, agricultural scientists...you name it.
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Booster,

30/06/2008 22:52:57
#40 Caora Dubh,Eilean a' Chaò

Oh yes it was and always will be someone else's fault, for ever and ever amen.

They aren't helpless, don't patronize them.
They need to take responsibility for themselves - the problem is they are too reliant on outside interference to take the bold step.
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oder2,

SCOTLAND 01/07/2008 00:40:56
Looking at the historical situation in the wider context
of colonisation, the natives of Africa had it slightly better the the natives of many other countries.
Only in South and Southern Africa were the natives allowed to increase in population above the in coming white settlers, in North America, Australia, New Zealand, all the native peoples are a minority today none of them with the prospects of having their countries returned to them were they will rule.
The African states were handed countries that were up and running, the British ruled in Southern Africa from 1801 to the 1960s and the did not have the facilities or logistics to embark on such an enterprise! the white settlers in Africa are certainly not better than anyone! nor are they worse than anyone else!

Africans claim with the support of many of the PC brigade in this country that they are equal, no argument from me on that point,however with equality comes equal responsibility, Mugabe is responsible for Zimbabwe, he has change all the laws since he came to power, ultimately he and no one else is responsible!
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oder2,

Scotland 01/07/2008 01:10:04
39 Caora Dubh,Eilean a' Chaò

you said

Has Media 1 told anyone about how rich South Africans are squandering South Africa's foreign exchange on luxurious imported 4x4s and sportscars, on quadbikes, wetbikes, surround-sound TV systems and the like? No, of course not! The single biggest cause of South Africa's massive current account deficit is spending on frivolous high-value imported items, some of which gulp down oil that South Africa has to import, too. So in order to balance the books the South African government is raising interest rates ever higher. This means that right now all South Africans - especially the poor majority - are helping to subsidise the luxurious lifestyles of rich South Africans, and suffering reduced job opportunities etc. Disgusting.

you do realise that the present Government in South Africa is black? and all that you describe above is the responsibility of the ANC and came about after they were giving the reins?

"But rich South Africans are such bloody mindless uneducated rednecks that they don't care. Anything to lock out the majority. So you can expect 1789 to happen once again, in South Africa."

white South Africans are not in the position to lock out the majority! uneducated rednecks ? you`ve not travelled much round Scotland then? there is quite a few here too!
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postmark55,

Chongqing, China 01/07/2008 02:25:41
Media 1,
Sorry about the late reply, lost internet service due to a heavy thunderstorm last night, but we're up and running again this morning. I had typed this for you and had saved it, so here it is.

Media 1,
I'm originally from Canada, the western parts, mainly British Columbia and Alberta. Very scenic, lots of wild life, sparsely populated except near the US border, in all, a beautiful part of the world. The Alberta climate is harshly cold in winter time though, and with the exception of the extreme south-west, British Columbia gets damn cold too. Now China on the other hand, severely lacks wildlife, hugely overpopulated, yet extremely beautiful. What impresses me how easy going and laid back the people are, considering there isn't much elbow room, especially in the large cities, and believe me, there are many large cities. I feel very safe here, no one carries guns, except one branch of the police, and foreigners are treated exceptionally well here. No one has ever stopped and asked me for ID, something I was led to believe that would be happening everyday, when I was still in Canada. China has gone through some real challenging times within the last six months, but the government has been on top of things and did a rather good job in my opinion, and they were open about it. Too bad that didn't happen in Myanmar, where I feel truly sorry for their oppressed citizens. Visit China sometimes if you can, I'm sure you'd be pleasantly surprised. I always have room at my home, you'd be more than welcome.
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Mashimaro,

China 01/07/2008 08:17:46
#36 Well said!
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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 01/07/2008 09:39:09
There are obscenely rich whites in South Africa who squander on luxuries and live in high security residences.

Don't worry, the BEE blacks are now catching up fast.





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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 01/07/2008 09:43:47
Can anyone tell me what is the attitude of COSATU (Congress of South African Trade Unions) to this mess in Zimbabwe.

I know that COSATU is pro-Zuma. Their leaders were kicked out of Zimbabwe and not allowed to pass through customs.

Have they yet implemented a proposed blockade of the border?

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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 01/07/2008 09:51:19
# The two head honchos of the SA Communist Party are (Dr) Blade Nzimande and Jeremy Cronin.

i do not think that they have much influence except, perhaps, through the unions. I am NOT an expert in this regard.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

01/07/2008 10:12:34
44..Dont go Media1...!...he'll only make you eat 'whang'...!
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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 01/07/2008 12:06:38
The old apartheid regime was indeed doomed once the cold war ended.

They were no longer needed and then dumped by their fairweather friends.

Let's not forget that the last white government looked like a kinder garten children compared to Robert Mugabe.

At least we know that this evil regime is in its death throes. Mugabe and his acolytes will go the same way as other dictators - perhaps not to a firing squad like Caucescu,.
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P.K,

01/07/2008 15:48:52
#51

Hahahaha, I was in Hong Kong last week and came across a hawker selling food by the roadside where 'whang' was served. But that is not something I'd like to try although I saw it attracted a number of late night diners.

Cankers, I enjoy reading some of your posts (very funny, give me a good laugh) especially about King Dong's Diner-Whang Gobbling Event.

 

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