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Are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama killing each other politically?



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Published Date: 27 March 2008
A NEW phrase has entered the language of United States' Democrats, dazed and confused by their party's vindictive and drawn-out nomination battle: The Tonya Harding Option.
Harding, famously, was the American figure skater who in 1994 organised the crippling of a rival so that neither would win gold at the Olympics. Some Democrats now fear that Hillary Clinton will play the Tonya card, determined that if she is not go
ing to the White House, nor will her rival Barack Obama.

The last two days have marked a new low in the candidates' relations. When the Obama camp contrasted Mrs Clinton's claims of coming under sniper fire in Bosnia with the reality of her tranquil visit, Mrs Clinton shot back by savaging Mr Obama's links to fiery black pastor Jeremiah Wright, famous for the phrase "God damn America".

"We don't have a choice when it comes to our relatives," said Mrs Clinton, in her first comments on the Wright controversy. "We have a choice when it comes to our pastors."

For Mr Obama's officials, it was the latest proof that she wants to pull the house down on both of them.

Conspiracy theories in the Obama camp say Mrs Clinton knows that if he wins the presidency, her own ambitions are over. But if Mr Obama, wounded and vulnerable, were to lose to Republican Senator John McCain, Mrs Clinton, now 60, would be young enough to have another tilt at the Democratic nomination in four years' time.

Clinton officials rubbish such claims, but the suggestion shows the dismay gripping the party.

Not a week goes by without both camps launching barbs at one another. Recent clashes have seen Mrs Clinton's aide, Geraldine Ferraro, accusing Mr Obama of owing his success to being black, while Mr Obama's foreign policy adviser told The Scotsman that Mrs Clinton was "a monster."

The winner is John McCain. While his rivals squabble, he is doing his best to present an image of a calm, assured statesman – in short, a president.

Yesterday, he announced a switch from the go-it-alone policy of the Bush administration that has alienated the US from so much of the world: "Our great power does not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want," he told an approving audience. "We need to listen to the views and respect the collective will of our allies."

The polls show his strategy is working. A month ago, he trailed Mrs Clinton and Mr Obama among independent voters. Now he leads them both.

The Clinton-Obama fight is also starting to tear the party apart. A New York Times poll yesterday found nearly a third of Clinton supporters will vote for Mr McCain if Mr Obama wins the nomination. Nearly 20 per cent of Obama supporters would do the same thing if Mrs Clinton wins. Such feelings may gift the White House to the Republicans, an astonishing result given the mess the Bush administration has made with the economy and the war in Iraq.

"The problem is that each day Clinton and Obama spend consumed with the other is a day that moves John McCain closer to the White House", said Noam Scheiber of the New Republic magazine, writing of a "Democratic death march".

Mr Obama's aides insist Mrs Clinton should throw in the towel, saying the numbers make it very difficult for her to win.

She is currently 160 delegates behind Mr Obama with ten contests to go, and a further 600 delegates up for grabs. Without some catastrophic new revelation, he is sure to end the campaign with a majority. The party's appointed "superdelegates" are the ones who will now decide the nominee at the August party convention, but never in their history have those delegates gone against the popular vote. In short, it is argued, Mrs Clinton has no realistic chance of becoming the nominee.

But still the battle goes on. Clinton staff say they expect the campaign to continue through May and into early June and all the way to the summer convention, when she hopes her friendships with the party top-brass can carry the day for her.

Terrified that this worsening battle will wreck the party, Democratic officials are trying to head it off.

Leading Democrats have begun talks on having a meeting of party elders in June to settle the contest there and then. The problem is that with the party divided, there are few people qualified to act the part of "honest broker."

The powerful Congress Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, is likely to take up the role, but she has already angered the Clinton camp by ruling out talk of an Obama-Clinton "dream ticket".

That other party heavyweight, Massachusetts governor Ted Kennedy, has lined up behind Barack Obama.

Step forward Al Gore, winner of both the Nobel prize and a Hollywood Oscar for his efforts on global warming, and still many Democrats' choice for president. Mr Gore ruled himself out of the race early on but the man who was once Bill Clinton's vice-president is probably the only Democrat alive with the kudos to act as a referee

For the Democrats, the end of the Clinton-Obama war could mean a chance for the party to unite to confront Mr McCain .

But for that to happen, the party must first get its own house in order and, on the evidence of this week, that will be a long time coming.

OBAMA CAMP
"The campaign has gotten too negative – too many personal attacks, too much negativity"

CLINTON CAMP"We have to decide who is on the top ... the people of Ohio very clearly said it should be me"



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1

Yane,

27/03/2008 00:43:51
It's crazy. They are both utterly selfish.
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27/03/2008 00:56:44
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meltonmark,

Kent, England 27/03/2008 03:22:42
God help the World if that Clinton woman ever gets into the White House. What a voracious creature that is!
It says something about the American political system when there is a choice of Obama or someone else's wife. I mean, with close on 300 million people one would think they could come up with a more interesting spread of candidates. Or has the country become so diluted by illegal immigrants there are no others to chose from?
4

Dáithí,

San Jose 27/03/2008 05:08:00
From our earliest history up until the 60's, we Americans were taught that our country was 'a great melting pot', where any person could succeed regardless of the country of their ancestry or of their beliefs as long as they possessed a sharp mind, good ideas and a solid work ethic.

In the 70's, the Democrats, believing themselves to be a ‘people’s party’, began to see that when people united in their differences and worked together in a system which rewarded individual achievement, their differences dissolved and they were truly free – and no longer in need of the pandering, parental guidance that the Democrats felt that the people should need, and which they longed to provide them.

In the 80's their fears were proven to be well founded - to their dismay, the peoples need for parental guidance in the form of enlightened, compassionate liberalism nearly disappeared under a tidal wave of prosperity brought by the triumph of personal responsibility and principles, re-enforcing the teachings of the ‘60’s.

This was demonstrated by historical landslide losses for their preferred candidates and philosophies in the ‘80’s.

Putting their survival above the good of the people while claiming that it WAS for the good of the people, they devised a strategy to disprove that ‘the success of each individual was dependent upon each individual’ and implemented a global change in strategy.

They called their new strategy ‘divide and conquer’.
5

Dáithí,

San Jose 27/03/2008 05:09:20
(Post #4 Cont...)

Playing the 'diversity' card, they pandered to every non-white, non-male group (and even white male groups, as long as they could be made to believe that they were 'disadvantaged' - a role that many, it seems, could be rationalized into believing). By dividing the peoples into strict race, gender and religious groupings and pandering to each, they hoped to combine them into a force to overpower the white males.

- Not with appeal, programs, ideas, or vision - but by inciting hate, begrudgery, entitlement and racial/gender vanity.

The apex of this strategy would cumulate when the stars aligned in the proper order and shone upon a Democratic candidate, representative of a disadvantaged group that would defiantly repudiate the ‘status quo’ and garner electability because of their racial or gender identity.

Underestimating the humor of the heavens, this pristine parallel, the precise perfect spot in manipulated disadvantaged American political opportunity, sees the stars shining on not one - but TWO favorites!

Hillary has been ROBBED! Years of tolerating a philandering husband merely to ride his coattails into a Senatorial job in a state (NY) she ‘adopted’ because their liberal leanings and a timely job opening appealed to her opportunistic career ladder.

The irony is compellingly humorous, and now the Democrats who have not only lived by the sword but built it themselves to their own specifications, are now about to impale themselves on it – and are already beginning to position themselves for the NEXT election??

As ye sow, so shall ye reap! They have nobody to blame but themselves.
6

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 27/03/2008 06:36:30
The system discourages quality candidates from throwing their hats in the electoral ring.

The result is that political parties can only ever field third/fourth class candidates. Never a statesman among them.

Don't vote: it just encourages them.
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Boy Wonder,

27/03/2008 08:56:33
Wonder which one of them has thought of the "assassination card" first?
9

Maurice,

27/03/2008 10:32:21
3 meltonmark,Kent, England, God help the world if neither Clinton or Obama get in and McCain does. Bush is thick so enemies of his know they dont have to try too hard and dont but with McCain (slightly less thick) they will have to try that bit harder to get through the Thunderbird mans defences. His overall ambitions are the same as Bushes though. Total World domination through force. Just as the warlords of Japan were defeated, so must these capatalist warlords. They put the entire worlds population at risk in their quest for power.
10

lukec,

nottingham 27/03/2008 11:04:20
There was never a truer saying than 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. Unbelievable to think Clinton would rather have Cain win than Obama, just so that she gets a further chance at the white house 4 years on.

The american political system is backwards. Bush should never have won in the first place, that was a questionable decision at best. And here we are 8 years on with the world reeling from the affects of the Bush administration - and they are about to win again? Despite chaos in the middle east and economic meltdown?

Americans .. sort your political system out.
11

Glenhuon,

Australia 27/03/2008 11:06:33
Well, how can I put it nicely. McCain... a war hero, and I can't stop expecting to hear he is also Sharon Stones cousin ( shades of "Head Of State")
The stoush between Clinton and Obamma has done neither good in my book. But what can you expect, they are all proffesional politicians (= proffesional liar). My prediction is McCain for next US president as the other two have cut their own throats already. And may the gods have mercy on us all.


12

Glenhuon,

Australia 27/03/2008 11:12:38
#4
Whats new, that has been the politicians strategy since Adam was a boy.
13

Newman!,

27/03/2008 12:34:29
Seems remarkable that a country of 300 million people has only a choice of 2 political parties - one right wing and one extreme right wing. Sure must be the worlds greatest democracy!

14

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 27/03/2008 12:37:23
The real fault in the American Presidential election system is the primaries and caucuses. The caucuses are particularly skewed to favour the vociferous. The primaries should be run over a much shorter time scale, and the traditional inbuilt special status given to Iowa and New Hampshire should be got rid of. There should be a random ballot drawn in the Senate to determine which order the various states hold their primaries , and held at five per week over a 10 week period in the Spring. Everything would become clear over a short period of time and no state would be able to create momentum out of proportion to its importance. The abuse by Republicans of voting in Democratic primaries, and indeed the other way round in other years, also besmirches the system.
15

katheru,

UK 27/03/2008 12:56:32
The popular notion that Hillary will do anything to get elected seems to bear some credence. She clearly has seen the witting on the wall of her presidential quest. Yet she continues to cling tenaciously to her campaign the way a salamander clings to a tree.In the process, she does not only tarnish her good name even among well wishers, but also jeopardizes Obama's chances of emerging as the overall winner come the main election. Ultimately of course, Hillary succeeds in doing irreparable damage to the democratic party. I keep on hoping that Hillary will see the light and bow out graciously.
16

TaffonTravel,

Edinburgh 27/03/2008 13:16:58
Having just read Obamas book I was very impressed by him - a far cry from the catchphrase repeater as portrayed in the media. The campaign by Clinton proves that she doesnt have what it takes to be a better president. I would like to see Gore step in, chuck Clinton out and have Obama as running mate if that is what it takes to clear this mess up.
17

Era,

World 27/03/2008 14:27:47
I don't understand why Americans see OBAMA as a messiah and they are so into voting him in to the white house. Hillary has spent more years into the political arena so ppl have more things to analyze and carve out a "monster" out of her whereas just few years/months under pressure and you can see Obama getting out of his skin as well. He is no messiah just another politician. I think Obama camp has been more involved in mudslinging although using the internet to the optimum. I am neither for Hillary nor Obama...just amused...by the whole messiah thing and how ppl seem to be blinded by Obama fever....
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Era,

World 27/03/2008 14:28:31
I don't understand why Americans see OBAMA as a messiah and they are so into voting him in to the white house. Hillary has spent more years into the political arena so ppl have more things to analyze and carve out a "monster" out of her whereas just few years/months under pressure and you can see Obama getting out of his skin as well. He is no messiah just another politician. I think Obama camp has been more involved in mudslinging although using the internet to the optimum. just amused...by the whole messiah thing and how ppl seem to be blinded by Obama fever....
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mike - across the pond,

hillary.... obama.... and the democrats... 27/03/2008 14:34:04
let me start by saying that I will not be voting for hillary in the fall... unless something REALLY unforseen happens...

Mr Obama... he was a flawed candidate to start with...

a) he's black... (like it or not, there are a certain percentage of the population who would sooner vote for a sea-sponge)

b) he delivers GREAT inspiring speaches but he doesnt have any depth to what he wants to accomplish.... when pressed to think on his feet, he stumbles, stammers, and ends up being exceedingly vague... this will be exposed in debates in the fall...

c) his close associations are very questionable... Rev. Wright is only the latest of his "inner circle" to come under fire, and much like Nixon, Obama appears committed to stick with his cronies to the bitter end, this alone has rendered him unelectable...

d) he is inexperienced, not that hillary has some huge reservoir of experience from which to draw, but at least she is "the devil we know..."

Hillary... I have to agree with the Obama aid who called her a monster... it was clear to ME in November that when hillary failed to pull her name from the Michigan/Florida primaries.... as her fellow DNCers did... that SHE was going to use those as an insurance policy... it still will not be enough to put her over the top, but it DOES show her character (or lack there-of)... and as pointed out in another post... she has an uncomfortable relationship with the truth... pretty much ALL of america understands that aspect of her character... some are willing to stick with her in spite of that...

Democrats in general... as pointed out in other posts, since the days of LBJ, the DNC has been pandering to specific groups... and really not delivering much of substance to ANY of them... this may be the election that forces some of these groups (women, & hispanics... if mr Obama carries the DNC torch... blacks if hillary gets the nod) to seriously evaluate their support.

one last question remains...
21

Black Beard,

27/03/2008 15:04:19
Ummm...Mike, Obama will be the democratic candidate. Hillary is just going through a prolonged and damaging death throe.
22

Black Beard,

27/03/2008 15:09:19
Era, Obama is our new sugar daddy. Just like Pedro he's gonna make all our wildest dreams come true.

Ain't gonna have no war no more
Free health care
Whites and blacks hugging on each other
A president with very nice teeth
A pot for every chicken
Endless lists of wild dreams...
23

Sandi,

San Diego 27/03/2008 15:15:58
#14, Huntly loon,

Good ideas. many of us hope that there will be significant changes to the primary system after this fiasco.

However, it is currently working as it was designed to work. At this point, there is no way of cutting out the remaining primaries. Every Democrat should have the chance to have their say.

The Obama campaign has been outstanding, marketing a little-known, freshman Senator as someone ready to take on the mantle of the presidency. His records from the senate in Illinois have gone "missing". We are now, belatedly, beginning to hear more about Obama and he sounds more and more like the standard, corrupt Chicago pol with every new revelation. Here is an interesting link with some details about him, and further links for corroboration.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/24/barack-i-didnt-know-obama/#more-1919

Exit polling shows that Hillary Clinton has a clear majority of Democratic votes. Obama's "Democrat for a Day" push has garnered many votes for him from voters who are not really Democrats, ie Independents and Republicans.



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mike - across the pond,

TaffonTravel.... albore... 27/03/2008 15:17:30
if the time comes that the DNC decides to turn its collective backs on Hillary and Obama... there wont be enough delegates to pick a nominee... I predict they BOTH will walk out with a sizable majority of their committed delegates... its the DNC way...

that said.... albaby is a stiff...

both entertainment wise and political-life wise

if al-baby were to get the DNC nod, all the "half truths" that he spouted that got him crucified in '00 will come back (you remember how albaby invented the internet)... refreshed by the gaping holes in his "inconvenient 'truths'" drivel... and when he tries the condescending stuff on McCain... that will be the end... again... besides there isnt enough room between McCain and albaby to differentiate their environmental positions.... unless albaby goes all whack-a-doo left... in which case its all over anyway...

a Gore-Obama ticket would be DOA (dead on arrival)...

I think Edwards would be the most electable #1 from the DNC crowd... at this point... followed by Richardson from NM... but I just dont think either one could retain either the hardcore Hillary supporters or the Obama-ites....

once again I am left pining for someone to vote FOR... instead of against....
25

Sandi,

San Diego 27/03/2008 15:45:44
Gore-Edwards is my dream ticket.

At the Convention, if neither Clinton nor Obama can sway enough delegates to win, the party has to find an alternative candidate who would be supported by enough delegates to win. That candidate is Al Gore. He would not only take the nomination easily, but he'd win the general election easily. Gore is the only person who can unify the Demcoratic Party at this point.
26

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 27/03/2008 16:31:30
Hey Dudes there is no country on the planet like the USA my country.

Its 310 million citizens have a 'Gung Ho' attitude, that is found no where else on the planet .

Our election process now in full swing, is about a mixture of FREE SPEECH , Liberty, Corruption, Lies, Truth, etc all mixed in there.

In my opinion as a voting American
I think that
Barack Hussein Obama ,
could be all smoke and mirrors. Comes across great on TV

Hillary Clinton,
is predictable, and could run with the hare or chase with the hound. comes across poorly on TV

John McCain ;
Is an out and out WAR monger, but in no way is he stupid like BUSH. And he comes across like a staid fossilized, inside the Beltway, politician.

When the Chinese had their so called election 2003.

Hu Jintao and Xi Jimping were elected President and V. President .

But not a single Chinese from the masses of 1.3 billion were allowed to vote for these two politicians.

So dudes when U want to rant and rave, and attack my country, feel free to do so. That is ur right if U live in a free country.
But save a little of ur ignorant vile for the crushed masses living in CHINA.

Visit any US Embassy any place in the world, and U will see lines of people waiting to apply for entry to the US.

Can U say that about CHINA India , Russia, etc, Hell NO.
GC

27

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 27/03/2008 16:32:42
if al-baby were to get the DNC nod, all the "half truths" that he spouted that got him crucified in '00 will come back (you remember how albaby invented the internet)...
Let's hope he will never run again and be subjected to your type of disdain. I'm sure you know quite well that he never said that he invented the internet.
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Neil,

Glasgow 27/03/2008 16:58:05
I don't think dishing Obama would leave an opening for her in 4 years I think it would just mean she would be seen as a bitch, which would not get her support from anybody.

I doubt if she cares
29

Bryan H.,

Somewhere your not 27/03/2008 17:02:15
I'm going to be completely honest with my opinion about the two democratic canidates. I really don't feel that either of them would make a very good president because neither one has enough experience in a governing body. "But what about Clinton? Her husband was the President and a Governor." Ya, saying she would make a great president because of her husband is saying that Beckham's wife would be good at Soccer (Football for you in the UK) because she's watched him play. As far as McCain goes, I really don't trust him but at least he's not out there mudslinging or throwing out promises that he cannot keep (I.E. Democratic canidates are making promises to pull out troops or start troop removal within 60 days of taking office, an impossible promise). However like I said, there still isn't a canidate that I feel really represents the American people. However if we don't vote, we're going to be stuck with someone else's choice and that is not fair representation.
30

mike - across the pond,

blackbeard.... 27/03/2008 18:37:31
first off... neither obama NOR hillary are going to have enough elected delegates to carry the day when the DNC convention starts... the ONLY chance for a "first ballot" win is if one candidate or another gets a clear majority of the "super delegates"... if they split the remaining "super delegates" down the middle, Obama will end up just short... (remember edwards took, and retains, some 200 delegates from the mix... Edwards may indeed be trying to position himself as "king maker")

second, if hillary prevails and Michigan/Florida are seated as they stand, the delegate gap will close significantly... with neither state looking like they are going to "re-vote"... its just a question of how much the DNC wants to damage itself by marginalizing the 3rd & 6th most populous states...

third, pennsylvania is still to be counted and that doesnt look promising for BO... as it looks now that state may significantly close the gap if not indeed flip the popular vote...

wouldnt THAT be interesting... hillary wins the popular vote... obama holds the most committed delegates... and superdelegates are left to determine which faction of the DNC they torque-off the most....
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John Blackley,

Florida 27/03/2008 19:25:41
So, once again, it looks as if the Democrats are prepared to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. How frustrating that must be for independent-minded Democrats.

There's a school of thought that says this is what happens when you have a party made up of many factions (versus some Democrats' view of the Republicans as a lockstep army of zombies). Of course, there's another school that says it's because Democrats are willing to take chances - such as put forward a woman and a non-white male as a candidate.

But, for all their good intentions and for all the damage their infighting is doing, I think the Democrats are doomed to lose again - and not because of any of the foregoing. I truly believe that the United States voting population as a whole will be unable to vote for a woman or a non-white man for president.

Oh well, John McCain may be many things but he at least is no George Bush Jr. The only uplifting thought I have at the prospect of a McCain presidency is the number of Republicans I know who say they respect him but they don't like him. That's a start.
32

mike - across the pond,

laurette 27/03/2008 19:39:56
"Let's hope he will never run again and be subjected to your type of disdain. I'm sure you know quite well that he never said that he invented the internet."

the EXACT quote was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."... interview with Wolf Blitzer, CNN (March 9, 1999)... his sycophants have managed to back him off of THAT claim significantly.. but he said it... and the timelines STILL dont work... if holding one to ones words is disdain... so be it....

albaby's problem is he has a very condescending manner... which cost him in the '00 debates... at the conclusion of debate #1 when he physically towered over W, percieved by many as appearing to try to intimidate his adversary.... and debate #2 more specifically when he awkwardly tried to pull off a few ill-timed reagan-esque "there he goes again"s... debate #3 the polls had swung against him, and he looked intimidated, confused, and lost...

personally I dont care one way or the other if he runs again or not... I wont vote for him because he is a LOON... keep in mind the DNC will not attempt to "run" him unless he accepts... and if he does run, that means the DNC will have (re)embraced yet ANOTHER LOON... and deserves to lose yet AGAIN...

bottom line the DNC needs to get back to its JFK era roots, and pitch the uber-left overboard.... of course, judging JFK by his policies and actions, he would be a Republican by today's standards...
33

Dadd's little Girl,

Palma de Mallorca 27/03/2008 19:45:59
25 Sandi,San Diego

Are you on drugs? Gore is a fraud and is only loved by the looney far left.
34

American,

27/03/2008 21:27:52
I dont like hillary or mccain, but at least they dont belong to such a racist church with a racist-jewhating-hamas supporting pastor (who obama considers his mentor). And, at least billary and mccains spouses dont hate (white, jewish, or black) America. Choice should be the lesser of the three evils, and GOD help us if obama wins.
35

Silence of the Yams,

27/03/2008 21:27:58
Obama would be a huge risk, but won't beat McCain in teh key states that decide the election. Hillary is the best candidate.
36

American,

27/03/2008 21:50:24
#3-meltonmark-My thoughts exactly! How mccain won nominee is beyond me (I guess the republican party feels they need to lean "left" nowadays). 3 incredibly, terribly poor choices for president. Whoever wins, We are so scr@wed!
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CombatVet68,

New Basbylon 27/03/2008 22:18:22
#36 American

I am in complete agreement! We are no longer a nation of the people, for the people, and by the people. The United States Constitution wass tossed out when Caspitalism becasme our GOD. Our God is money! Just look at it. EVERYTHING is about money or the desire to attain more of it.

Our government leaders forsake their campaign promises once they win the election, the rest just becomes lies or lame excuses. Hillary caught her lying spirit from Billy, or did he catch it from her...perhaps we will never really know.

Most of our socially elite think that they know whats best for us, the common man. But in truth, they merely desire to feed their own egos, aslong with their pocket books.

Hillary made it clear that her "earmarks" (monies for the state of New York and their pet projects) is the reason she was re-elected to office. Do you understand what she is saying? Waste federal tax dollars to further my career! These people waste more money than we will see in ten life times. And Hillary isn't the only one doing it.

It's about time we, as the American People, tear down this corrupt and rotting corpse we call the Federal Government and start all over. We need to get back to the basics of moral democratic government rooted in the U S Constitution and good christian values. If we do not do it now, I beleive this nation will fall, and the fall will be castastrophically great.
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CombatVet68,

New Babylon 27/03/2008 22:32:04
"A SIX-YEAR-OLD boy who died after he was pushed by his father off a fourth-floor hotel balcony in Crete was unlawfully killed, a coroner ruled today."

"Dad gets 25 years for baking 2 month old daughter in a microwasve."

And these are but as sampling of the kind of horror stories we are reading almost daily in our newspapers or watching unfold on television. Sin is like a horrific cancer that is eating away at the body of this worlds society. We have become more lovers of self than lovers of God. Repent and turn from your sins and seek HIM, through my Lord Jesus Christ, for He is faithful and true. If not, continue to serve the prince of this world, for in truth, that is who you are serving.
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CombatVet68,

New Basbylon 27/03/2008 22:39:04
#33 Dadds little girl

You are so right on!
40

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta ...smell the burn. 27/03/2008 23:48:08
38
CombatVet68,
New Babylon
-----------------------------

---Chill out dude

The DOG I believe in ain't short of cash.

How about Ur's dude

GC
41

E. Smith,

Texas 28/03/2008 06:56:31
So now you see why Middle-America is full of disillusioned Independents who don't vote for a candidate, but who vote for the lesser of two evils.
42

Conan,

Chile 28/03/2008 08:05:05
Are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama killing each other politically?

I rather hope so!
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57Nomad,

california 28/03/2008 10:01:42
The only difference between a clinton candidacy and an Obama candidacy is how bad they will be beaten. If Barak is nominated he will carry from zero to three states. Hillary will carry from three to five. John McCain will be elected because independents can vote for him with a clear conscience and Republicans will vote for him because of the alternatives. Republicans will also capture at least one of the houses of congress, probably the Senate.
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CombatVet68,

28/03/2008 17:23:57
#40 Galactic Cannibal

It is written that God owns all the cattle on a thousand hills. For the wealth of the world is His, He's just letting you have a little of it because he loves you!

If a man is blind from birth, how does he know that there are literally millions of stars in the night sky, lest someone tell him, and he believe it in faith?
Can he see the beauty of the stars. Not outside of faith. Such as it is with the Lord of Hosts, for without faith you can not please Him.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 28/03/2008 23:31:16
44 - Jesus wants you for a sunbeam !
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57Nomad,

california 29/03/2008 04:43:01
#29 Bryan


"there still isn't a canidate that I feel really represents the American people."

You are correct there but there is a qualifier. NO candidate has ever really represented the American people because of the enormous diversity of opinion of the electorate. Consequently, any and all candidates will only be wholeheartedly endorsed by only a fraction of the electorate. All their other votes will come from those who are choosing the candidate they like best from among that group that they don't particularly like.

Here's a couple of examples. The most popular president of the twentieth century was FDR. He led during the great depression and world war II. Nonetheless, almost as soon as he died the 22nd amendment to the constitution was proposed and ratified that prohibited an individual from being elected president more than twice, a direct reaction to the unease felt by FDR's four terms. It is also worth noting that John Adams referred to George Washington, while Washington was president, as a 'muttonhead.'
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57Nomad,

california 29/03/2008 04:51:24
#38 combat vet

those things you refer to are horrible indeed. but, they are nothing new. there is no more sin now than there was in the past and for the most part the world is a more decent place that it has been in the past. when spartacus and his rebel slaves and gladiators were captured the romans put an exclamation point to their displeasure by crucifying 10,000 of the rebels along the appian way. vlad the impaler discouraged turks from entering his dukedom by hoisting about the same number of turks on long sharp posts in the path of the approaching turkish army. when greek city states went to war this was the usual outcome. the winning side would gather up all the men of the losing polis and kill every single one of them. the women and children would be sold into slavery. human nature never changes.
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airmick,

taking off in delaware 01/05/2008 00:54:07
are clinton and obama killing each other politically?

READY AIM TALK!
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Ewan Watt,

London 13/05/2008 15:19:16
Wow - Ted Kennedy's Governor of Massachusetts? He's only been a Senator for over 40 years.

 

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