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Published Date: 06 January 2009
CHINA warned Google and other popular web portals yesterday that they must do more to block pornographic material, the latest in a series of government crackdowns targeting internet content.
The move is part of a larger Chinese effort to control freedom of expression and root out material it considers destabilising, such as sites that criticise the Communist Party, promote democratic reform or advocate Taiwan independence.

The governm
ent accused Google and Baidu, China's two most heavily-used search engines, of failing to take "efficient" measures after receiving notices from the country's internet watchdog that they were providing links to pornographic material.

Google, however, has insisted that it abides by Chinese law and does not generate pornographic content.

Officials also criticised web portals Sina and Sohu, as well as a number of video-sharing sites and popular online bulletin boards such as Tianya, that it said contain problematic photographs, blogs and postings.

Jeremy Goldkorn, founder of Danwei.org, a website that covers Chinese media issues, said such campaigns happen regularly in China to keep internet sites in line with the government. Mentioning Google and Baidu is meant to send a strong message to the whole industry.

"The fact that they rapped every major website on the knuckles is sending a message out to be on their best behaviour," he said.

Charles Freeman, a China specialist at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said the pornography issue was a "stalking horse" for the Chinese government.

He said 2009 was a "very sensitive year politically in China," noting it was 50 years since the Dalai Lama fled Tibet after a failed uprising, 30 years after the Democracy Wall movement, and 20 years after the crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square.

In the past, the foreign ministry has defended China's right to censor websites that have material deemed illegal by the government, saying that other countries also regulate internet usage.

It was unclear what the government classifies as pornographic.

However, sexually explicit pictures were still appearing on online portals yesterday, including pictures of the actress Zhang Ziyi sunbathing on a beach topless.

The government said seven agencies would work together on the campaign to "purify the internet's cultural environment and protect the healthy development of minors".

A government statement, said violators would be severely punished, but did not give further details.

A Google spokeswoman in China, Cui Jin, defended the site's operations, saying it was a search engine and did not generate any pornographic content.

The company obeyed Chinese law, she said. "If we find any violation, we will take action. So far, I haven't seen any examples of violations."

China has the world's largest population of internet users with more than 250 million, and China's attitude to love and sex has changed markedly since it was denounced as a bourgeois decadence under Mao Zedong, a by-product of rising prosperity and looser restrictions on private life.


BACKGROUND

PORNOGRAPHY is banned in China but is widely available on and off the internet. Popular Chinese web portals often show explicit pictures and provide links to pornographic websites.

Beijing loosened some internet controls during the Olympic Games – gestures meant to show the world that the Games had brought greater freedom to the Chinese people.

The government blocked the New York Times website in December, reopening it a couple of days later.

The Chinese government remains wary of losing its control over the internet, which it fears could be used for organised opposition to communist rule. Last month more than 300 lawyers, writers, scholars and artists called for a new constitution guaranteeing human rights.



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  • Last Updated: 05 January 2009 10:09 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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Scullion,

Canada 06/01/2009 02:11:08
#2, the right of the individual to determine what is rubbish and what is not (as long as it isn't illegal) is the keystone to western democracies. You can't appreciate the heady, yet dangerous, sense of liberty that comes with free expression. If you don't like it, don't look at it.
My mother thinks Michaelangelo's David is vulgar trash, is it?
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 06/01/2009 02:14:43
What is advertised on some of the free to view TV sites on line would make your hair curl.Remember in the west you control content on TV, ie adult content kept until the children are in bed. With the ever increasing use of computers in China, it is difficult to control what the vulnerable ones in our society watch.The channels here which have been targeted, particularly are the porn channels.
So come on all you Human Rights and Freedom of Speech PC zealots, condemn China for not wanting to expose their children to porn and paedophiles!
The reporter opines it is part of a larger move to curb freedom of expression!!This report is 3 or 4 stories patched together to try and make more of it than it is.
I applaud any government who cracks down on those who continuously thrust indecent images in our faces at every opportunity.Convince me that sodomy, paedophilia, bestiality etc are all desire-able subjects to bombard the general population with.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 06/01/2009 02:21:00
#3 Did you read the article numbnuts? Under background it states quite clearly, even in capital letters, "PORNOGRAPHY is banned in China".Clear enough for you?
Perhaps the Chinese government doesn't want to see the country turned into the sick, dysfunctional, state many countries in the west have turned into.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 06/01/2009 02:26:25
#3 Shame we are not allowed to comment on the story of Genocide in Canada in a following article! Tibet has seen nothing nearly as widespread as this.Not since the Dalai Lama and the 'nobles' fled!
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SouthernGent,

06/01/2009 03:27:50
All countries have laws and rules that encroach on some form of liberty. Guns, porn, alcohol, driving, etc. etc.
This media outlet even picks and chooses the articles in which we can respond.

Black, white and gray have different definitions in different cultures. Very doubtful the world will ever agree on the same definition.

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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 06/01/2009 04:13:37
The biggest question remains, why haven't they banned the Scotsman?
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 06/01/2009 04:24:41
#8 Postie

Because the riskiest thing that you can see on the Scotsman web site (or web cam) is a Haggis with no clothes on!!!
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 06/01/2009 04:29:43
#4 Drugonhead

According to the BBC News article on the same subject http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7811550.stm
China already censors and blocks certain sites on the Web but more because they fear they might be gathering points for political dissent.
Using the "pornography" tactic will allow them to do more censoring while appearing to take a moral stance!!!
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Cabe,

06/01/2009 05:38:09
It's no big deal these days, sometimes it's better to let the kids become aware of it so that later on in life they become less interested. Dragonhead strikes me as the sort of fellow that would be sneaking around late at night to view that kind of material on his computer when the wife and kids are all tucked into bed.
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 06/01/2009 05:41:05
I'm sure the Chinese government could easily solve this by ensuring all chinese internet users have to access the internet via a Chinese ISP (maybe even make it illegal to use any other ISP) and then firewall all the sites that it doesn't want it's people to access.
Although this idea smacks of totallitarian control by the state, it's an easy situation for the Chinese authorities to solve if they wanted to.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 06:27:51
#3 China, in case you have not noticed, is neither a democracy nor western. Why would you imagine that we would want to follow in western footsteps?
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Mashimaro,

06/01/2009 06:35:56
#11 It might not be a big deal to the moral cesspool of the west, but in China it is. This is completely against our culture. Would you imagine that there should be pornography access to Muslim nations? No. So why do you think there should be such access to China?
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Chuck.U.Farley,

06/01/2009 08:26:45
I thought Wan-king was a Town in China,untill i discovered Dragonhead.
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paulr,

edinburgh 06/01/2009 08:28:39
Here we go again, all the narrow minded, bigoted control freaks, the tight a**ed, all sex is evil brigade joining forces with the chinese commies to try and justify tyranny and political censorship.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 08:54:27
#16 We don't want your filth in our country. Keep it to yourself. Our government protects its people, not its criminals.
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Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 06/01/2009 09:33:59
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Aye, the Chinese people need thier government to protect them as they are unable to make thier own informed choices.

Fair enough.

Pornography isn't exactly a Western invention you know. Hmm, let me see....Karma Sutra anybody?

BTW, how do the Chinese people reproduce? Is that considered a "filthy" act too?
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 06/01/2009 09:54:25
We're not alone in this. I know that Canada bans certain movies, rates others as well and bans all tobacco related products advertisements.
Kiddie porn is definitely banned as it should be, whether in practicing it or watching it.
It also blocks access to all government 'sensitive' sites, whichever they deem sensitive.
Let's face it, we live in a world that is ruled by some and expected to be obeyed by the the rest.
Let's all be thankful that we don't live in the Gaza strip, where fighting for your life is the only right you have and you'll probably lose.
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Few Against Many,

06/01/2009 11:08:53
How can the Chinese government have a problem with people Jerking off? With there one child policies they think they would be encouraging people to rub one out. Also by the buy I have never watched a porno where the plot has been tied to the independence of Tibet.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 11:11:43
St Andrew: er... Israel isn't wanting to "stop the rocket attacks" that was just the excuse. What they want, really, is to destroy Hamas. You see the US is bankrupt and can no longer bankroll them. The president elect isn't exactly a big fan. They are, to put it in terms everyone can understand skrewed.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 11:16:25
#21 China must realise that freedom of speech and expression must be protected."

Why? That is a western concept, not ours. Naff off and run your own sad country and keep your nose out of our business.

"The internet is sex in abundance and rightly so, if there is a demand for it, then the demand must be met."

I'll remember THAT arugment when I'm fighting the anti-whalers

"It is called capitalism and it works."

Ahem, yeahhh, I'm just gonna let THAT sit there for all to see.

"Communism cannot work because the rulers of communist states live like capitalists. "

Communist China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world. Capitalism, on the other hand, has pushed millions into starvation... so.. which one "works"?
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Mashimaro,

06/01/2009 11:20:19
#21


"Take a look at the quality of life of communist nations in the last 200 years by comparison to that of capitalist nations."

"Where would you rather live?
North Korea or Canada?"

China, thanks. Maybe you would like to compare people's lives BEFORE communism and AFTER it.

"China or Australia (Does it make a difference, there are more chinese in Australia than AUSTRALIANS)
How many people from communist nations live in western societies by comparison to westerners living in communist or former communist nations?"

China is full - go home!

"China needs to understand that you cannot have a few people of a certain mindset decide the rules for billions."

No we don't need to understand that. We understand that we need leaders. We have leaders. It's working out fine, thank you very much for your concern... by the way, learn to say "master" in Chinese, you'll need it for your future.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 11:28:21
#22 good one. Okay... here are some nasty facts for you...

1) Pornography is often linked to organised crime and the sex slave trade. So if you suport pornography you support the sex slave trade.
2) It is also heavily invested in by the triad and yakuza, so support pornography and support your local gangstas. Support the drug runners and the ivory poachers.
3) Pornography objectifies women. Do not say it doesn't. Look at your average amercan woman with her double Dees. It tells women that after the age of about 16 they are no good and useless.
4)It makes people promiscuous - please do not tell me that people were as free about sex in the 1950s as they are today.
5) It eats at the family foundation of society. Family is extremely important to Chinese. It is one of the mainstays of our civilisation - take it in example to what is going on in Your society - where women have six children by six different fathers, your education is failing, you have zero work ethtic, you have basically become stupid, fat, alcholic breeding machines. Crime and deliquency is on the increase. Your youngsters have no respect for elders. Now look at the societies around you - the middle eastern societies, the Russians and the Chinese. You're toast dude.
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St Andrew 01,

06/01/2009 11:32:12
Mashimaro - I would imagine a race from another planet will take over the world long before anyone says master in Chinese.
Communism does not work, hence the reason the Chinese are adopting a western approach to life, society and thinking. Communism does not work, hence the reason more Chinese live in Western societies than Westerners in China.
China cannot get enough of western values, western culture and western attitudes, it is magical watching the Chinese transform from a primitive populace to a modern thinking society - I love China and the culture, I find Chinese thinking to be inspirational and I respect the innovation of the great nation in terms of writing and paper, ships and games of thought.
But in terms of this story regarding the internet, China must recognise that had western leaders halted the internet for reasons of fear, you would not be sitting at a computer today.
Fear has never been part and parcel of western thought, which is why a white western landed on the moon first and not a black African or a chinese communist.
The West has no fear, hence why she will embrace chinese culture and muslim culture even whilst those cultures hold reservations about the west.
No war between China and the West can be won - perhaps the west should continue with their space exploration and then take all whites to another planet leaving this one to the next in line. The Chinese?
Or is sharing and caring a better approach?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 11:37:09
6) It takes an intimate act between two people on which the nation is built and it turns it into a commercial experience of hormones and synapses. You wonder why your people have such trouble with relationships? Why your divorce rate or "failure to marry" rate is so bad? Hmm, I wonder. Could it be that men believe their women should all be Pamela Anderson look alikes who do things which are exceedingly unhealthy.
It opens you up to complete commercial exploitation. Must-have cosmetic surgery, must-have blonde hair, must-have full lips, nust-have, must-have, etc etc etc instead of allowing people to find each other spiritually and work at building a family, taking hardship and enduring difficulties.
Why would you let something like that into your homes you sad, desperate people.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian, China 06/01/2009 11:37:44
The usual slimy personal comments by #11 and #15 re: Porn! Many years ago leaving a meeting in the army.The RSM asked my mate. "Oh aren't you staying for the blue movies then Cpl B******?"To my stunned amazement he replied "Sir,Blue movies are for two types of people,dirty old men and those who can't get it up, which are you Sir?".
Not a word was said to either of us then or later!So to all you who subscribe to it,WHICH ARE YOU?
For the record the term in Chinese is Bian Tai! The lack of standards of any description in the west is destroying it. So keep it thanks.
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St Andrew 01,

06/01/2009 11:42:59
Mashamaro

1. Many things are linked to organised crime, not just pornography, ban it and it goes further underground, ban it and Western computer geniuses will find a new technology to replace it.
2. Pornography does not belittle women, it offers men what men need. By the way you will find far more Chinese prostitutes and brothels, far more Thai prostitutes and brothels than you will in the West. We just have the money and the innovation to do it online. And since it is our technology to begin with, we should be able to use it as we wish.
3. Pornography makes people premiscuous? Did you ever study Roman history dude? We are nowhere near as bad as they were in the past.
4. Pornography has assisted us in accepting sex as a pleasurable experience. Perhaps if you did the same you would not be living in the most sex starved nation on the planet, hence the billion or so people.
The family values you speak about are no different to the West. Remember we have always allowed our families to travel freely, shop freely, buy freely, worship freely, pray freely etc that has always been the level of our committment to vaules and freedom, you are somewhat behind, but understandable as you still have sand in your eyes from 1500 years of dictatorship slumber.
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St Andrew 01,

06/01/2009 11:45:15
Dragonhead

You have been subjected to dictatorial thinking far to long.
In actual fact there are two people when it comes to pornographic movies.

1. Those who decide to watch them
2. Those who decide not to watch them.

See the difference in freedoms? One day you will catch up
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AbandonAllHope,

06/01/2009 12:11:36
China is a horrible contolling culture, KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OUR FREEDOMS or we'll stop buying your inferior plastic tat
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St Andrew 01,

06/01/2009 12:21:28
AbandonHope

China is not a horrible culture. In fact it is a very peaceful and nurturing culture. Communism was enforced on the people, dictatorship and omnipotent rule is all they have ever known, so it is normal for them to be so controlling.
But look at the changes they are making, they aspire to Western culture, they embrace the movies, the television shows, the radio stations, they love western invention it is all over their world from computers to electricity and fast food chains, casino's and hotels. China and the Chinese LOVE the west, they cannot get enough of it, they cannot cope without it, which is understandable as they have been locked away from this world for centuries by their omnipotent rulers.
And Chinese women are becomming so much more promiscuous and sexually explorative, I have dated a few Chinese women and they cant get enough.
What an excellent time in the history of mankind.
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Few Against Many,

06/01/2009 13:21:26
26. Mary Whitehouse.

I would say that everything in that post was guff the 60's were the swinging 60's for a reason. (Although perhaps the only swinging going on in china in the 60's was at the end of a rope.)

Having been to China and having been offered 'liaisons' with prostitutes frequently in certain areas I would think that should be the main area of your governments focus, not more internet policing. Ultimately I believe that this is simply Chinese Government propaganda that is determined to show the internet as dirty, degenerate and unattractive to it's people. Also I don't know what porn you 'don't' watch but there is as many videos on the net with 30 or 40 year old women as there is 18 years old.
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Fred Trucker,

On the Road 06/01/2009 14:30:55
Its a total waste of time anyway, I suppose it can be an unhealthy addiction if it were to become a habit.
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Mcsnagpile,

06/01/2009 14:57:31

Have lived in countries where sex is freely available, porn was unknown and had no demand—in fact they laughed in amazement at stupid Europeans looking at this rubbish. Have lived in countries where photos and videos of food was banned because people did not have any. Have lived in rural China where sex was readily available although the hotel rooms had ‘No Prostitutes’, on the back of the door. The internet is freedom of nothing. Most Chinese just get on with their lives and try to survive in a difficult world—Happiness=one wife, one son, one pig.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/01/2009 14:59:40
#32... you keep your hands off OUR culture. We don't care how much porn YOU watch.. have it all.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 06/01/2009 22:39:05
Its not the culture thats horrible in China. Its the government. Ordinary people are ordinary people everywhere; and just want to work and live in peace...BUT...not the Chinese government! It HAS! to control everybody on mainland China. Thats how it lives. Great conspiratorial games go on, in behind the scenes between controlling parties in China, each vying for power over the other. And all the while quietly step by step, without the West being too aware of it, China moves towards war and the outward movement into South East Asia and down into Australasia.
This christians know about through the many visions and prophecies that come from God about Chinas outward march.
British and Scottish companies would be very wise to have escape plans for their employees to help their employees to get out of asia when it all begins to happen.
China cannot be trusted no matter what she wants to help other nations with... and no matter how wide she smiles.
China is a demon controlled power because thats where the worship lies.
With evil spirit powers.
http://whatwillbecomeofaustraliajackburrell.blogspot.com/
is a good website on prophecies.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/01/2009 23:43:31
#24 Mashimaro,Red China - "Naff off and run your own sad country and keep your nose out of our business" - Happy to do this, Zippy, when you naff off and stop posting your chippy comments in "our" newspaper.
"Communist China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world" - still posting this ridiculous "T-Shirt" slogan, eh? This does not imply that Communism works as "Communist" China only started to lift people out of poverty (or rather some of them) when it more or less abandoned Communist economic theories whilst still retaining the oppressive trappings of a one-party state.
Communism has been rejected by most of the planet and rightly so as it was responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people in the 20th Century. Only a few fanatice yearn for a return of Communism.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 00:51:14
#40 Ah, but you don't count, do you Jimmy.
#39 "And all the while quietly step by step, without the West being too aware of it, China moves towards war and the outward movement into South East Asia and down into Australasia."
Er... never mind son, the men in white coats will be there soon. I don't blame you for believing this utter and absolute rubbish because you're constantly exposed to it in the West, but when you're able to regain your functioning mind, maybe you will one day give it some of your own, deep thought, and realise that China will never have to go to war, it already owns you.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 01:03:40
#34 Prostitution is also illegal in China. So that is also focused on in China. However, we do recognise it as a symptom of poverty and greed and treat it accordingly.
You have a look at your society, dude. Have a look at your women who seriously spend more time and effort looking like store mannequins than they do on being a parent or being a partner or helping your marriage to grow. Really, it makes your young women think that if they're not giving away oral sex by the time they're 13 they're "uncool". Let's not even go down the route of other perversities. Look at the way your young girls dress, like they are on the open market. They don't take pride in their bodies, they offer them desperately to the first come first serviced. Look at your families... there is no family respect. Your children scream and swear at parents - if they have any. They are juvenile delinquents. You believe that children should "do what makes them happy". You place no emphasis on work or education. Your kids are on drugs by the age of 12 and heavily drinking by 14. Yes, it's against the laws but it's out of control. Your parents are absent. They're so busy getting their share of the fun they forget to be responsible parents.
You have no spine, you just fold each time someone stands up to you. You have no moral compass. You're so busy being politically correct (what a strange term) that you just given in to everyone, all the time.
Your entire ethnicity is in danger and you're too dumb to see it. You're like a toddler walking out into a busy road and you just keep going.
Watching the death throes of the British empire is interesting. Watching the collapse of European society and "civilisation" a lesson we won't forget. We've been around for 5,000 years. We'll be here for 5,000 more. I will tell you that you can't say the same.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 01:50:04
Mashimaro.
The Chinese government cant fool the West.
Its beginning to dawn on America that China wants to get rid of America; and to do this she has to have sneaky plans to overthrow the USA.
This is why China builds her army and her navy and her airforce.
Its to take on the USA, Britain and Australia.
You are not one of those Peoples Liberation Army internet serial pests like Postmark 55 appears to be are you?
The PLA is all over the internet smoothtalking the West, as the PLA plans to conquer us.
China owns nothing.
The West will always have the huge arsenal and the early warning and people willing to expose Chinas secret plans.
I am sure Australia is quietly preparing for the future.
To resist China when she moves outwards.
Maybe we will round up Chinas over 1,000 spies in Australia and send them home in shame.
I think China wants to pay back the West for the Opium Wars.
China simply wouldnt forgive Britain... and still holds a grudge.
She cant forget what England did.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 02:02:11
#39 Graeme Gibson,
So we meet again oh paranoid one, and I see your drug induced visions still are telling you that China is going to march out and overthrow you. If you haven't noticed buddy, everything you buy is Chinese, for the simple reason that you can't afford to buy anything made in your country on account of the criminally high prices you have to pay for made in Australia goods or goods made anywhere in the Western world. And you can thank your Labour Unions and their workforces for that, nothing but greed. China is not a violent nation as you well know, all our troops stay at home with the exception of our peacekeepers and two ships that are now patrolling the waters off Somalia to protect our merchant ships from pirates. We look after our own and invest elsewhere and are on good relations with all.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian, China 07/01/2009 02:51:58
For example: After slipping on ice a year or so ago,we bought an Alpine type walking stick so I could still get about.Family friends in NZ bought a couple of them to go power walking.Good quality ones with a sprung tip which can be in the on or off position as required.Not sure if the price was NZ$180 each or a pair. In UK I saw a cheaper looking one for GB20quid.Here NZ$2.50 at the time or about 2GBP at the most.Now the Chinese seller was making a profit.So how much are the UK/NZ/Aus importers etc making? Oh! spare me the dribble about slave labour in China, etc, It is greedy westerners who are exploiting the Chinese for obscene profits who need a kick in the slats.
China's Military are there to ensure that never again the nations of Japan, USA, France, Russia, Great Britain, Portugal,etc impose their greedy regimes on China.The Opium Wars? How about Japan's invasion well before WW2 started, or Russias "Liberation" at the end of WW2 when they stayed for 10 Years!!Or the reparation they demanded (which was paid)during the Great Leap Forward Famine when millions died.No doubt at all that Mao was at fault, but Russia's hands were far from clean in the deaths.
The Chinese didn't ask for international aid.Perhaps the record of the countries named above coloured their thinking?The Chinese have tended to sort out their own problems through the centuries. HK and Macau, next Taiwan.They will have achieved more in a few short decades,what the west(and Russia) seems incapable of achieving with the Middle East!
Shoddy goods ordered by westerners and sold at obscene markup prices around the world, and China is the easy one to blame, everybodys whipping boy.Yet those who order and sell them are the real villains of the piece.
Does China blame the Americans for obese children courtesy of McDonalds.#44 Graeme Gibson Sydney,In oppressive China, I enjoy my Australian Porridge, with New Zealand honey and Mongolian milk every morning.China doesn't need to invade Australia,they wil
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 04:14:13
Postmark 55.
I try NOT to buy Chinese products.
They are usually inferior; and probably made in Chinas inhumane stalag camps by innocent prisoners wrongfully arrested because they looked the wrong way at the wrong time.
I would like to buy more Taiwanese products made by highly skilled Taiwanese people with love in their hearts and happiness in their souls.
Happy to be free of the rotten China government who plans to invade Taiwan.
We love Taiwanese products in Australia.
Quality, loving skilled workers and they dont fall to pieces in the wash.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 04:22:44
Thats true Dragonhead about the Opium Wars and China never forgiving.
She bases her unforgiving heart on payback to Britain...and the USA.
She wants her soldiers one day in The Houses of Parliament in London and in Washington.
She plans accordingly because she cannot forgive for the shame of the Opium Wars... and its so long ago...isnt it.
No one threatens China.
She is the terrible threat.
She eats everything inside her borders and soon she will eat the rest of asia.
Do you appreaciate Taiwanese products too?
We think they are great.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 04:33:33
#44 "Mashimaro. The Chinese government cant fool the West. Its beginning to dawn on America that China wants to get rid of America; and to do this she has to have sneaky plans to overthrow the USA."

Okay, when I read this I laughed a lot and then I thought maybe you are serious. We don't need to overthrow the US, we own it.

"This is why China builds her army and her navy and her airforce. Its to take on the USA, Britain and Australia."

And this one made milk come out my nose - strange cos I wasn't drinking it at the time. Please.. compare the US military spending per capita to China's and then get back to me.

"The PLA is all over the internet smoothtalking the West, as the PLA plans to conquer us."

Yeah cos they got NOTHING better to do. Oh dear... grow up. Really. The PLA doesn't give a rats about the west, it's too busy doing what any army should be doing - looking after its own people.

"China owns nothing. The West will always have the huge arsenal and the early warning and people willing to expose Chinas secret plans. . . "

Or, apprently, make them up as the case may be

"I am sure Australia is quietly preparing for the future. To resist China when she moves outwards."

Again with the milk and nose thing. Rudd is so far in China's pocket he thinks China is a kangaroo and Australia is a joey. Have you not heard of the Chinese in schools initiative? Australia is China's mine.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 04:37:24
#44 cntd
Have you not noticed the number of Chinese already in Australia? Our biggest export is people ;)

"Maybe we will round up Chinas over 1,000 spies in Australia and send them home in shame."

China doesn't have any spies... but go ahead, give it a try. We really don't care what Australia does, Australia NEEDS China.

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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 04:57:16
#47 Graeme Gibson,
So have you been to Taiwan oh wise one? If you have then you would surely have seen that Taiwan is in fact China, the language is written in Chinese and Chinese is spoken there as well. And did you notice that your so called allies, the USA, recognizes Taiwan as being part of China by declaring that they recognize the 'one China' policy? But then on the other hand they turn around and arm Taiwan to the teeth so that it doesn't have to be part of China. Why the hypocrisy oh wise one? China has a strong military strictly due to keep the likes of the British and Americans from invading us, you know, the same British and Americans that are currently illegally occupying Iraq. Have you also noticed that the US isn't stupid enough to try to invade us now, for we are mighty and look after ourselves and will not be subjected to the kind of atrocities we endured when the Japanese invaded us. And try as you might, eventhough I know that you're full of BS, basically everything you buy these days is more than likely either manufactured or assembled in China, and you are like everyone else, you can't pass up a bargain, your greed dictates that.
So no, we don't need to physically invade you, you voluntarily give us your money by buying our goods and as the world economy is taking hit after hit our products will seem so much more attractive, again, your greed dictates that.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 05:20:52
You ordinary citizens of China are strange.
Your government says "we are strong and we will conquer the West" and you drink it in.
China will always be 3rd world.
She has many soldiers but the equipment is poor. Manufacturing is inferior.
Her ships are unreliable to sail to Australia to conquer.
You should reject the Chinese government and come Down Under and fight with our army against the PLA when the day comes.
Do you like the PLA?
No! You know what she does in Tibet.
Do you know how the West knows an evil government?
It is by the way her soldiers march.
Truly evil governments and their armies all do the GOOSE-STEP.
Russia, China, Cuba, others.
They all do the GOOSE-STEP.
This is how we know China plans global conquest...its by the GOOSE-STEP.
Evil governments always fall.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 05:37:10
#52 Listen up Gibson, don't you dare say anything against the PLA. Those soldiers carried people on their backs to get them out of Sichuan. They marched for hundreds of miles to get to them. I was there. I saw them doing it, step by painful step while the ground was still shaking. They carried out children and old folks and carried in water and medical supplies all the while in extreme personal danger. They saved hundreds of thousands of people by humping it to the quake dams and taking care of them. They gave up their water supplies so that those who needed it could drink. They handed over their food rations so that children could eat. They wept with us. They worked 48 hours, some even longer just to pull one more person from the rubble. And never ONCE did they complain. When we had the snowstorms it was the mighty PLA that saved people, distributed food, opened rail lines, repaired roads. When we had floods they were the ones who rescued us, dug the sandbags, pulled people from the water. Who the heck are YOU to spread lies about them??? You are not fit to lick the dust off their boots.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 05:38:43
and they do it all on less than what you spend on beer in a week.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 06:14:45
#54 Mashimaro,
Hey Mashimaro, Gibson is a windup idiot, he comes here to stir the sh!t, he tried on another article a couple of weeks back when China sent two of our naval ships to ward off the pirates. Ignore him or just humour him like I do, he ain't worth getting too excited about.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 06:26:52
It is a natural thing for the PLA to do rescue work and to work hard.
Many were noble and caring but as an instrument of war of an evil government they are not good quality.
They are puppets of the government.
Maybe they are the real power anyway?
They will do what the government tells them to do and much of that is being planned already.
The plan is to move westwards out of your country and down into India and central asia, into South East Asia and to take Australia as well.
Christians know this because China is known as THE KINGS OF THE EAST and you can find that on the internet or you can look up Revelation 9:16 and 16:12. in the Holy Bible.
We christians know all about China and there are many prophecies about her.
Dont be such silly young men.
Look at Tibet.
When Chinese soldiers first went in they crucified christians.
Some had nails driven through their eyes.
The PLA was wicked.
Remember the GOOSE-STEP young people.
It is a sign that the PLA is no better than Adolf Hitlers nazis.
PS: I dont drink beer. Tea for me is nice. Bye chaps.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 06:31:14
#52 Graeme Gibson,
We do the goose step because we're gonna cook your goose, live with it.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 06:58:11
Ah, thanks Postie. I thought he was insane! I must send you the pics of the quake if you want, some amazing ones of Beichuan where you can see the PLA carrying the kids out.
Where are you headed for the year of the Ox? I might be down Shanghai way if you want to hook up for drinks, if I can get hold of the Mad Mongol.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 07:15:54
#58 Mashimaro,
Some pictures would be nice, thanks Mashimaro, and yes, if you're down this way, by all means look me up.
We'll be staying put, well until at least this summer, baby is due soon and won't be able to travel for a half year or so, and after that we may visit with the rest of the family in Chongqing.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 07/01/2009 08:08:09
The People's Liberation Army is just part of the apparatus by which the Chinese Communist Party maintains itself in power and crushes opposition as it did at Tiananmen Square in 1989. It is already the largest military force on earth and "defence" expenditure in the workers' paradise keeps rising (although in common with the USA, the true level of its military spending is a state secret). The PLA is untested in combat (as opposed to attacking unarmed civilians) since 1979 when it performed poorly against the Vietnamese. The neighbours of the workers' paradise, particularly Taiwan, maintain large armed forces as they see the PLA as a threat rather than a sweet and kindly corps to rescue civilians in times of natural disasters (as all armed forces do) or an army of workers and peasants to resist the beastly imperialists.
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 08:43:36
42, do you have any of that acid for sale? Honestly I believe you just open your mouth and et your belly rumble. What a totally basless and unrealistic opinion you have on youth culture in Britain. It's laughable.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 08:49:20
60 James Donald,
As opposed to the Newbridge Brigade that's armed with pitchforks eh?
You're a stereotypical cellar dweller that just sucks on sour grapes Jimmy !
Why doesn't your pride and joy take on our pride and joy and and we'll see how far your lot gets.
Our very own PLA is a truly defensive force, we use them to keep our country safe and they don't go marauding all over the planet killing indiscriminately like your lot does.
Nah Jimmy, once a loser, always a loser, but by now you should be used to that eh Jimmy seeing that you're forever eating our (melamine flavoured) dust.
Bon appetit Jimmy, bon appetit.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 09:25:29
#60 yeah, but Jimmy, you know nothing about Tiananmen so you don't count.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 09:28:20
We remember Tiananmen Square.
We NEVER forget the PLA.
Lies cannot hide what they did in Tiananmen Square. They ran over Chinese teenagers with their tanks in Tiananmen Square.
They showed their love for their fellow countrymen there in Tiananmen Square.
Blood and bones and brains crushed under tonnes of metal.
Thats the PLA.
They are a dark spiritual force who want to conquer the world.
May America and the West always be alert to the PLA.
The Chinese government wears cardboard masks and extend soothing talk but their hearts are gross.
One day they will send out their slave instruments, the PLA, to grab land and wealth and women but the West will be ready.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 07/01/2009 09:32:02
I hear many men in China have the AIDS virus.
Does the PLA deal with this problem... or ignore it and allow it to spread through their ranks?
I dont think PLA health is all that good.
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 10:37:56
65, Are you claiming that homosexuality is rife within the PLA or are you claiming that the troops of China break the law by liaising with local prostitutes frequently? Either way it doesn’t reflect well on the land of milk and honey that Mashi tries to paint.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 11:01:19
#64 Graeme Gibson,
Have a gander at this link that sheds the truth on Tiananmen, and seeing he's a countryman of yours, maybe you should take it seriously.
Feel free to browse through the rest of his articles, this guy definitely has his sh!t together, maybe for once you can learn something.

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=14621

www.gregoryclark.net

And as far as HIV/AIDS goes, it looks as if Australia hasn't escaped unscathed, despite it's isolation from the rest of the world. In fact, as of December 2005 you had 22 361 cases and it keeps growing year by year as this link clearly shows.
You been humping chimps Gibson?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Australia

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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 11:04:48
The aids problem in China has nothing to do with homosexuals or prostitutes. Once again you show you know nothing.
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 11:09:11
Of course, Aids being a sexually transmitted disease will have nothing to do with any actual sexual transmitton.

And you say I know nothing.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 11:24:16
Aids is not only transmitted through sex, Fiona, so yes, you know nothing.
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 11:32:51
Mashi, please elaborate. Apart from the sharing of needles what other ways can you contract the virus? are you saying that there is a massive drugs problem in the land of milk and honey? You are really showing yourself up as a fool here. Please keep it up!
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 11:36:50
Fiona, look up the meaning of the term "blood head".
But yes, we still suffer from the drug hangover along the opium trail.
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 11:42:29
I just did Mashi, Nothing on Wiki and when you Google it the first 2 pages are about coldplays album. The Chinese haven't employed Dr Beetroot have they? Seriously it sounds to me that the PLA are a bunch of man lovers and junkies. How are they ever going to deal with any international crisis when they are all shooting up and dry bumming?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 12:00:26
See, lots to learn, Fiona. Did you know one of China's greatest explorers and admirals was a eunuch?

Wow, Fiona, maybe your western government doesn't allow you access to the all the websites in the world... lookee here!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/03/content_286917.htm
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 12:30:07
I think your world view is a bit warped there Mashi. Look at the name of your source, I wouldn't even contemplate reading anything from the state sponsored china daily.

You are a sheep and not a shepard son.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 12:57:15
try The Lancet, Fiona. Sheesh, must I write the story for you myself?
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)71551-8/fulltext

Perhaps the US library of medicine might work for you, eh? Think that's a Beijing mouthpiece too?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11197369

Perhaps you would like Marlink and Kotin's Global Aids Crisis
http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=aGfvQxiWLxAC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=%22blood+heads%22&source=bl&ots=TMKMYrTDHD&sig=Sz5hFLQ6ov_hB_UcMOSYSwStTx4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA17,M1


Want the CIV word on it?
http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/2007/04/chinese-blood-slaves-sell-blood-15.html

so now clean the egg from your face Fiona and say "haungdi"
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 12:57:19
China is most definitely not alone in this tainted blood problem.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/taintedblood/bloodscandal_timeline.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/scotland/7362242.stm

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/08/25/tainted-blood-uk.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-07-11-hemophiliacs-cover_x.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47128

The list seems to be endless.
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 07/01/2009 13:00:29
Few Against Many (everywhere above) ... spot on.

Mashimaro (everywhere and anywhere on these pages)

Your offerings get more offensive with the passage of time. You are definitely and definitively unrepresentative of China and Chinese people as I know the country and its people. You are an affront to decency with your random allegations and sick personal propaganda. On whose behalf and at whose behest do you speak in this Scottish newspaper forum? You attempt to tar all westerners with the same dirty brush while conveniently ignoring similar events in your own backyard which you are equally unable to control. Routine insults like "round eyes" and "whitey" do your intellect no favours either.

In your reply (#39 - 29/10/2008 - 23:52:41) to the brain-addled American chump (GC), re "spitting in the street and other disgusting habits", you responded: "Yes it is a disgusting habit, just as the Scots have a disgusting habit of gobbing their chewing gum on the sidewalks in Hong Kong ..."

You surpassed yourself there. Perhaps you could acquaint us genuine Scots with these invented "Scots" you apparently have knowledge of. I doubt you can offer up any more sense on that piece of gross stupidity than the over-the-top guff you regularly post. You shame China. It's interesting, and a great pity, that there are no other Chinese contributors to this readers' forum. We might get a bit of balance then, and a rest from your putrid self-righteous negativity, dressed up as superiority.

You may also care to note that in the past I have often defended China, specifically according to the many civilised Chinese people it has been my privilege to know. Your constant illogical outbursts exclude you from that company.


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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 13:01:57
Mashi, what are you talking about son? I never said that it did not exist I said I would never in a million years believe the source you gave me. You seem wound pretty tight. I would put money on a heart attack or a stroke being part of your future.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/01/2009 13:12:31
#78 Are you trying to tell me the Scots don't gob their chewing gum in Hong Kong? Oooh, touched a wee nerve with you did I? Ever been down to Wan Chai on a Friday night? Ever been to the KCR train station when they're waiting in line for a bus? Hmmm?
If I paint westerners with the same brush it is only to bring home to you that you paint Chinese with the same brush.
And no, I don't care that you have defended China.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 13:35:51
#78
Finlang,
Well, if it isn't my favourite uneducated dimwit who has never set foot in China, who is still holding the world map upside down looking for China. My very favourite windup toy, the mighty Mr. authority on China himself.
You have a comment on the article or are you just trolling as per usual? What country would you claim to be in tonight? Tired of France already, or did they tire of you?
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 07/01/2009 13:36:44
The troll or sh*tstirrer from Sydney mentioned Nazi Goosestepping performed as a ceremonial or parade march by the PLA. Useless prat that he is. It was not adopted from the Nazis,it was adopted from Nu-Labours mates the Russians!
Oh! They are the ones you should be looking at, not the Chinese. Gas and Energy as a weapon? Watch this space Oh! enlightened ones. Putin is a Gas isn't he?
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 07/01/2009 13:42:15
Almost forgot, Saw the headline on either BBC or CNN in passing:The Three websites in question have since apologised to the Chinese Government for connecting to Pornographic sites. All that fuss by the you all for what? China 3 Porn O, well done China.
For the record, we watch American movies and TV series from some of these sites. As soon as you open the site, up pops all the porn ads etc.So folk don't have a choice whether they want to be regaled with what most Chinese consider to be yeuk!
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 07/01/2009 13:47:04
#80

Your riposte is typically childish, therefore it touched no raw nerve here, serving only to show yourself up again in bad light. I have no idea what these alleged "Scots" do with their chewing gum, but you are ever the all-seeing, all-knowing wise one. Unlike you, I avoid Wan Chai and other fleshpots any night of the week, so you just carry on imagining "Scots" ruffling your feathers everywhere.

You appeared to "care" that I had a positive attitude to China soon after you begun posting here last year, to the extent of offering to meet for a beer in HK. Thank christ I had other and better things to do when I review your nasty output since.

Talking of nasty output ... I see your pet parrot, the disaffected wannabe immigrant #81, who will never in its wildest dreams be Chinese, has fallen off its perch again. As sure as night follows day, that joined-at-the-hip groveller hangs onto the only coat tail available. Pathetic as ever.

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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 14:08:45
#84
Finlang,
So good to see that you still wind up better than any watch eh ! You don't have enough class to ever have a drink with Mashimaro, and it was he who was lucky that you never have set foot in China, it's a good thing he didn't waste his time waiting for you. You avoid Wan Chai because it is in Hong Kong, that's a long way from France or Scotland for that matter, wouldn't you say? And yes, even Switzerland !
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 14:14:48
Postie, Mashi is a reprobate of the highest order. Whatever your issue with Finlang you should not be putting Mashi on a pedestal. He is no doubt an angry little man with the bare minimum of social skills and is obviously very unhappy in his own skin. If you look up to him it means that you must be very close to the ground yourself as Mashi slithers on his belly through the river of bile he spouts.
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 07/01/2009 15:00:27
#86 FAM
How true. Your assessment in the final sentence is especially apposite.

The bad smell #85 (Polly No-mates) again shows off his inadequate personality by attempting to besmirch the character of any poster who dares to challenge the cringe-inducing drivel he trots out here. He prides himself on the amazingly intelligent attribute of winding people up. In the lonely void that he passes off as a life that is all he knows.

Therefore any "issue" he might have with me is a miffed display of ruffled feathers which he can only bolster with playground insults, such is his poverty of intellect. Or respect. He will always be a second-class individual in his (alleged) refuge, and a first-class bore in these columns.

Only the other day to another poster, he described himself as "a hothead". Well, there's a surprise. He is, by the same token, a bully and a coward, and in keeping with that status, forever immature and envious. His mind is a wasteland of everything civilised. Let's just allow mastermind to talk to himself in his oh-so-bleak existence.





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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 15:22:06
#86 Few Against Many,
Mashimaro in fact is a great man, he stands up for his country, a country that has been persecuted by the West ever since I can remember and long before that for the simple reason that it flies the Communist flag. Mashimaro shows pride, he shows conviction and and above all he shows love for his motherland, something that I truly respect and admire in him. Finlang on the other hand is what is more commonly known as a stalker. He will sit back for months and read certain individual's opinions and one day he loses it and blows his cork big time. He came unglued on me about a month or six weeks back for no particular reason. So now I own him. I know he stalks us and I play him. I know just what buttons to push and just when. He can't be bothered to confront someone in a nice way, so then the gloves come off with me. He's a push-over and a laugh, and both Mashimaro and I know that.
I too love China, both my grandfather and my uncle laid down their lives to fight off the Japanese and that is one of the reasons why I love this great country. Against all odds it survived and is now not playing second fiddle to anyone. My passport may say that I'm Canadian, but my blood tells me a different story. I look at all my family members and can see that I too am Chinese.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 07/01/2009 15:59:59
#86 Few Against Many,
Signs of Finlang being a stalker, he copies and keeps what others say without responding at that time, but keeps it in until later, as he showed in this quote he used tonight in post #78. Notice the date of the quote.

In your reply (#39 - 29/10/2008 - 23:52:41) to the brain-addled American chump (GC), re "spitting in the street and other disgusting habits", you responded: "Yes it is a disgusting habit, just as the Scots have a disgusting habit of gobbing their chewing gum on the sidewalks in Hong Kong ..."

That's a qoute he saved for some 10 weeks, kinda tells the whole story, doesn't it? Wow, that was like a week before the American Presidential election, GC, or Galactic Cannibal, has since dropped off the radar. I've seen him do this several times before, thus knowing how to flush him out.
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 07/01/2009 16:51:51
#88/89
Well, well ... You matey are the stalker here since you infest these pages daily, ready to take wicked side-swipes at anybody whose viewpoint differs from your bitter little diatribes.

On the other hand I have an interesting, challenging well-remunerated job and if I am not on here responding to your ignorant prattle it is because I have far, far greater things to do. You and your "great man" pal have pretty well sabotaged these pages since you appeared from the depths of nowhere, and effectively rendered them useless to most sane and sensible people. Happy now, megalomaniac?

As for copying ... no way. My memory for these things is very good indeed. You arrogantly affect to know the minds of others, but don't flatter yourself. You accuse me of "sitting back for months then blah blah ..." Then blammo! Get this, moron: You will never own me or anyone. The only buttons you push are those beneath your nose.

Hanging onto Mashi's coat-tails is just about the best you can do. What a sorry little creature you are. Now be a good little servant and go to bed to dream of whatever a loser dreams of.




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James Donald,

Newbridge 07/01/2009 19:24:41
#63 Mashimaro,Red China - Keep it up Zippy. Somebody might believe your keech one day (but not today). How's the chip on your shoulder, little poison dwarf?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 07/01/2009 19:29:07
#88 POSTMARK,-55,China - "My passport may say that I'm Canadian, but my blood tells me a different story" - Wonder what your medical files say. Certifiable nutbar most likely.
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Mashimaro,

China 08/01/2009 01:00:14
Finlang thinks Wan Chai is a "fleshpot"??? er... right... okaaa aaaay. Maybe next time you go to Hong Kong you should actually go there and take look around and not rely on the memories of some sailor's shore leave dream.
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Mashimaro,

China 08/01/2009 01:02:43
Added to the above: I realise now, Wan Chai probably way out of your budget range, though. So maybe Chung King Mansions would be more suitable ha ha ha ha ha
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 08/01/2009 02:02:19
#91 James Donald, who uses German epithets on a Chinese subject! Is that the best you can do? Not Chinese,Japanese,Korean,Arabic,Portuguese,even Tibetan,or one of the major languages, someone from China could understand?
As for good beer? It shows your complete ignorance of China and things Chinese.Courtesy of the days when countries,including Great Britain, exploited China for greed,the Germans left behind a legacy in Qingdao (that is Ching dhow to you)or as the repressive Brits called the place Tsingtao the name incidentally of the Beer in question. It is a world renowned Beer.Many Chinese brands are the equal of any overseas.For your information numbnuts,in many stores here they have more brands of beers from all over the world to choose from.Not the "criminal communist gangsters" you and your ilk constantly make fools of yourself over,but everyday Chinese citizens.China does not need to respond to the likes of you squire.You just stay in your little PC (Poked Country) believing the tripe you spout, as you sink further into anarchy!
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 08/01/2009 02:08:12
Four surgeons meet and begin having a few beers.An Israeli, an Arab, a Russian and an English surgeon. As the night wears on the bragging starts.
In Israel we transplant a liver into someone and in six weeks they are looking for a job.
In Egypt we transplant a kidney into someone and in four weeks they are looking for a job.
Not to be outdone,the Russian responds.In Russia we transplanted two lungs into a patient and in TWO weeks he was looking for a job.
The english surgeon responds quietly.Hmmm! in England we transplant TWO *ssh**s from Scotland into Number 10 Downing Street and in 24 hours every is looking for a job!
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 02:43:24

#90 Finlang,
Yes Finlang, your memory must indeed be good, you have it down to the post #, the date, the hour, the minute and the second. Of course you didn't copy it, you memorized it.
LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN SHALL WE.

In your reply (#39 - 29/10/2008 - 23:52:41) to the brain-addled American chump (GC), re "spitting in the street and other disgusting habits", you responded: "Yes it is a disgusting habit, just as the Scots have a disgusting habit of gobbing their chewing gum on the sidewalks in Hong Kong ..."

Yes Finlang, you convinced me, you have a good memory for these things.

Does your mother know about your habitual fibbing Finlang?
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 03:08:38
#91 James Donald,
Well, well, well Jimmy, now you admit to having a cellar again do you? At first you had one, then you went into full denial and now you admit it again. Take a good look around your little abode Jimmy, it IS a cellar and it IS your home. And no Jimmy, Mashimaro and I have no reason nor need to defect, for China is indeed a paradise, something you can only dream of in your cellar.

And by the way Jimmy, you always like to remind me about the rules and regulations of the Scotsman, but you think you know your way around those rules and regulations by using a foreign language to do your cussing in. Remember Jimmy, I worked in the Netherlands for 6 years and made frequent trips to our German office, I know your little cuss words, and this one in particular is real vulgar.
It's a good thing that I ain't a tattle tale like you though eh Jimmy, I let everything stand for whomever to see.
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Cabe,

08/01/2009 03:23:07
#97 Dragonhead
Sounds like a joke you picked up from your local nursing home eh. You and your "ilk" wouldn't know a good beer if it bit you on your a*s. You and Lynne are exactly the same, 2 old gasbags spouting hogwash.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 08/01/2009 04:57:31
If there is any one thing I would hope readers here would remember it’s that Chinas has a secret military plan to invade South East Asia and Australasia.
She already has over 1,000 spies in OZ.
This invasion plan is known because of what The Holy Bible says about THE KINGS OF THE EAST.
You can find this huge asian confederacy army by clicking on that name.
Because of a number of visions and prophecies given by The Lord to Christians worldwide there is sufficient to believe that China plans (already) to knock out the USA, possibly with Russian help.
Because of the One Child policy there is sufficient to believe that part of the outward march is connected to the search for brides for Chinas boys (most Chinese parents desire a boy child, and as they are only allowed One Child by government policy, most of the girl babies got drowned, dumped in wells, or left out in the open to die. Great policy wasn’t it).
China plans for regional invasion even as far south as Australia.
I found 14 or so mentions of an asian invader amongst the christian churches of Australia…so please be happy to stay where you are and don’t come to the land Down Under.
China prepares right now early 2009 for invasion of South East Asia and the south lands of Australia and New Zealand.
I believe Im right.
NB: China loved her children so much she ran over them in Tiananmen Square with tanks.
What will she do once she gets loose in asia?


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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 05:26:01
#101 Graeme Gibson,
Here are those links again just in case you failed to see them in an earlier post of mine, #67 I believe it was.

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=14621

www.gregoryclark.net

The name Gregory Clark ring a bell with you Graeme?

So much for the Western lies about Tiananmen eh.

And here's the one about your problems with HIV/AIDS, but you were always aware of that, weren't you Gibson?
Like I asked you before, you been humping chimps Gibson?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Australia
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 05:33:22
##101 Graeme Gibson,
And as far as your Holy Bible goes, do what I used to do back in Canada, tear the pages out and roll up some tobacco, best cigarette papers you'll ever get, and then you'll have Holy Smoke.

And Gibson, China IS in Asia, we're already here, loose or otherwise.
You must have taken geography lessons along side Finlang eh, well, you failed, just like he has. Neither one of you know where China is.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 08/01/2009 05:57:28
I see what you say Postmark 55.
Irrespective I will stand up today, before any number of people, anywhere in the world, and say "China plans for war".
She plans to eat her neighbours and Australia.

She manufactures in secret, full time, around the clock, guns and soldiers equipment, tanks, aircraft, trucks etc.
She built a railway into Tibet for ONE! reason to get her soldiers out to the west.
She has built a road across the Himalaya mountains for ONE! reason to get her soldiers out to the west.

You young Chinese boys here on the Scotsman cant fool me.
You are going to one day be a part of that army.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 08/01/2009 08:01:51
#96 Dragonhead,Dalian,China - Who rattled your cage, you olf duffer?
It might come as a surprise to you, that Scotland also has shops where you can purchase beers from all over the World (available to all citizens with enough cash not just party members, police, bootlickers, apologists, hangers on and other assorted wretches) including Tsingtao. It is nothing special and, although originally a German brewery, it is no longer brewed under the Reinheitsgebot. Because of the heavy polution in the workers paradise, all barley used for Tsingtao Beer is currently imported from Australia and Canada (the hops come from Xinjiang). It might compare to some of the poor brews in other parts of the World but is not a patch on German, Czech and most other quality European beers.
Thanks for your little lecture, "numbnuts" (is this some sort of ailment that old fossils like yourself suffer from?), but I regret to inform you that I pay little attention to the bitter ramblings of stroppy olf men. Alles klar?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 08/01/2009 08:13:46
#99 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - I told you that my cellar was actually a basement but you seem unable or unwilling to take on board simple facts. So let's call it a "cellar" in order not to confuse you. My "cellar" is very nice, a pleasant cool place where I keep my wine and beer (no Tsingtao) but I withdrew my offer to house you and Zippy there after your defection because it is not good to encourage vermin into the cellar. I know it would be a very tempting place for someone from the workers' paradise to live, but I prefer to use the rest of my house. Maybe you were just misinformed by your "invisible friend" that knows all about me.
Thanks for the laugh about the terms and conditions. How many IDs have you had now?
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 08:47:27
#106 James Donald,
Yes, let's talk about multiple ID's eh Jimmy, or would you rather I called you Vehm Gericht or maybe even Fred Trucker?
I've had two, first postmark54 until you had me banned when I caught you painting yourself into a corner and now I'm POSTMARK,-55. It looks like you're one up on me, eh Jimmy?
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 08:55:50
#104 Graeme Gibson,
What makes you so sure that Mashimaro and I aren't already part of that army Gibson?

Any comment on what your fellow countryman Gregory Clark had to say Gibson, or would you rather just go on denying the truth about what really happened at Tiananmen back in '89?
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Few Against Many,

08/01/2009 09:10:58
You know you 3 Chinese boys are spewing your vile words at every opportunity with an elitist attitude that is completely unjustified. You actually seem to have many of the attitudes that the Japanese had circa WW2. I wonder if your fate shall be similar?
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 09:16:03
#104 Graeme Gibson,
Holy Sh!t Gibson, you're correct, my apologies ! Two Chinese families I'm very close to just called my wife and I to say that they are going to Australia for four years so that their kids can attend high school there. That would be the start of the invasion eh Gibson. They asked me for advice on how to behave there and I told them to try to blend in with the rest of the Chinese spies and that no one there would ever be the wiser.
Can I please have your address and phone number Gibson so that they have a friendly contact when they arrive? They said that they would put in good word for you with our government and that our very own PLA will spare you and your family.
See what happens when you smoke that Holy Smoke Gibson? Miracles happen and God spares you and your loved ones.
You're welcome Gibson !
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 08/01/2009 09:26:29
I dont think I will bother with Gregory Clark.
Its generally accepted by the media all around the world that some 7,000 Chinese demonstrators were crushed under PLA tanks, or shot in Tiananmen Square.
Its accepted truth.
There are photos after the murderous act...after the bodies were taken away.
Anything else is PLA propaganda. A covering of their evil with glossy propaganda...i.e. lies, mirrors and smoke screen.
The world knows that China deceives.
Her military are light fingered pickpockets.
They steal everything. They will try to steal from Metalstorm in Australia. They will try to steal the Fusionman jet wing. They will steal anything that isnt bolted to the floor.
And they will do it all to build their huge arsenal so they can use those weapons against asia/south east asia and Australasia.
Yep...China builds to conquer.
The West knows.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 09:29:38
#109 Few Against Many,
Well at least we ain't stalkers like Finlang, that boy keeps posts from as far back as the 29th of October, pretty creepy eh !
He claims that he recited that post from memory, but we all know better don't we?

And all of us are gonna die , you included, so, no worries !

By the way, did you bother to look at those links that were provided for Gibson, you know, the one that told the truth about Tiananmen?

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=14621

www.gregoryclark.net

And no Chinese spin on this, this came from a Western reporter that knows and tells the truth !
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Few Against Many,

08/01/2009 09:36:05
Postie, I know the truth about Tiananmen, I have seen the pictures with my own eyes and that is more powerful than any words to the contrary can ever be. Seriously though why do you feel the need to defend the land of milk and honey with such venom? Surely you must be able to accept that China has massive flaws just like I can accept that Britain has them as well? When you try to justify the unjustifiable time and time again it makes what you say hard to take seriously. When you do have a valid point to make people are going to dismiss it as nonsense because of your past form. I don't know if you know the story of the boy who cried wolf in China.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 09:57:10
#111 Graeme Gibson,
What makes you so sure that we don't have that technology already?
Or that we haven't already one-upped that eh?
We're already leaving you behind in aircraft technology and bigger and better things are already in the testing stage.
The only difference is that we keep it all at home as a means of defence, we ain't the type to go plundering and pillaging all over the world. We stay here, it keeps us united and doesn't water our forces down, it keeps us strong and confident.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 10:34:33
#113 Few Against Many,
From your comment I gather that you haven't even bothered to look at the first link provided to you and followed it up in the other source he suggested you look at.
Pictures lie, they can be doctored or they can show you pictures of something totally unrelated and you'd never know the difference, like they did last year with the Tibetan uprising, they conveniently showed you pictures and footage totaly unrelated to Tibet, but the West bought into it big time.
Remember that I was born and raised in the West and I was there for 47+ years and I heard everyone condemning anyone and anything to do with Communism, whether it was about Cuba, Russia, China and a host of others. Communism and Communists are hated in the West and it's your so called leaders and media that keep the hatred alive. The thing is that these days you can come here to China very quickly and see how the West is lying about China, but you choose to believe them and not the truth. Our Olympic Games were a huge success, those who came here for themselves have had only good things to say about China, those who stayed home are still in denial that China indeed has come into its own and doesn't take a back seat to anyone anymore. China is a great country and continuing to improve despite the curse the West constantly puts on us. We've learned to shrug it off and we're going full steam ahead, and very proudly so.
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Few Against Many,

08/01/2009 10:46:29
Postie, I actually used the Tiananmen incident as the core of my discursive essay for higher English almost 12 years ago so it’s not like I have mearly formed my opinion on youtube clips.

I have been to China and I loved it! Like everywhere else in the world there were some very nice people and some that I was extremely wary of. I would recommend to anybody who is interested in history that they should visit China because it is steeped in culture and has many wonderful sites. I have also been to Cuba but that was more of a beach holiday for me. I guess the point I am trying to make is that although I am not a communist I have no problem with communism as long as I am not effected by it. My problems with some of the things that are said by you and others in defence of China is that it goes beyond being reasonable and makes me worry that the people of China are a bunch of elitist, racist war magnetos. Surely you are bright enough to see that the attitudes being portrayed by you and your country men go little to dispelling the ‘myth’ that China seek to impose it’s will on the world by force? You seem to relish the prospect of this day coming.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 08/01/2009 11:45:33
#105 James Donald Cellar Dweller. I asked a perfectly ordinary question. Is German all you can manage? Postmark who spent some years in Nederland and visited your office in Germany. I lived in Germany for ten years and still correspond regularly (in German)with "my German family" who own and operate an Hotel in St Goar Gegenueber der Loreley.
Postmark do you speak Chinese or any other oriental language.Perhaps your French being a Canadian is up to snuff?
It is noted all the nasty remarks about "old duffers, retirement homes etc".Tut,tut,tut! A real and visible symptom of what ails the UK.You revert to type when stung,ie #100 alluded to me that I was the type to sneak around at night viewing porn.Some slime ball intimated Paedophilia. It is water off a duck's back squires. Blowhards all.Wouldn't know a good beer if....etc? Is that how you judge folk? Not surprising in cesspit UK where the majority of the country are out of control,many p*shed out of their tiny (very tiny actually)little minds.
The sad thing is YOU can't see it! Tragic really, but you all roundly deserved it,for turning the country into what it is today. Ridiculed and laughed at by all.The terrorist capital of the world too.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 11:49:42
#116 Few Against Many,
I'm glad you enjoyed China and its people and culture. Now I know that you're fairly new on the scene here in the Scotsman, but by now you must be aware that I've always applauded China for staying at home and that China does not send its troops around the world instilling its will on other countries, unlike the American and British governments do. China invests heavily around the globe financially, but that is just business sense. You must also realize by now that I am p!ssed off at the American and British governments for indiscriminately slaughtering innocent Iraqis and Afghanis, and now you see Israel once again doing the same thing to the Palestinian innocent citizens. I have always stated strongly my opinions about war and how I'm against it, for war produces only loss and losers, there is nothing to gain from any war by anybody other than the knowledge to not wage war again. Unfortunately both greed and stupidity dictate that this planet will always see wars, nobody seems to learn a thing. Has China built up a powerful military, you bet it has, but it is there to protect us from the likes of the American and British governments that cannot stay within their own borders, it is not in place as offence, only defence. China is not a threat to world peace, that comes from the Middle East and the far West.
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Few Against Many,

08/01/2009 11:57:55
tiny (very tiny actually)little minds

nice insult. We could say the same about your genitalia peewee.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 12:03:08
#117 Dragonhead,
Unfortunately I do not speak any oriental language fluently, but I'm fluent in three languages, three spoken that is and two in reading and writing and speaking, and my Dutch and German get me around not too bad. French is not amongst my languages of expertise, it's questionable at best.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 08/01/2009 12:31:44
#119 Few Against Many,
Were your comments directed at anyone in particular or were you talking to yourself?
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Few Against Many,

08/01/2009 13:02:31
tiny (very tiny actually)little minds

Was a quote from 117. Like I was saying about elitest rasicts earlier postie you don't have to look very far to see why i think that.
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Cabe,

08/01/2009 14:20:26
#117 Dragonhead
Who the hell are you? One moment you're Chinese next you're a Kiwi then you're Scottish and now you're a German. You don't know whether you're coming or going boy. You've clearly lost a swath of brain cells during you're stint in the army. All you are and ever will be is a brainwashed puppet, a yes man to your superiors. Clean those boots boy you sniggering dirt-bag.
"#100 alluded to me that I was the type to sneak around at night viewing porn"
Got a guilty conscience eh? That's probably why you're now sleeping on the settee. People like you join the army to watch porn and visit salubrious clubs with the rest of the saluting hand jobs.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 08/01/2009 19:26:17
#107 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - Fred Tucker? Never heard of that one (rhyming slang?). An invisible friend of yours perhaps. Think you have had more than 2 IDs sado, but then Communists are always the biggest liars.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 08/01/2009 20:47:32
#117 Doughheid,decrepid fossil - You are a stroppy old duffer and never ask a simple question. You merely blow your trumpet such as it is and vent your spleen at all an sundry.
Despite having lived in Germany for 10 years, you seem only to have learned pidgin German (better to have mastery of a couple of languages than a few words in many, eh squire?). I too have have many friends in Germany so your Rheinland family does not impress (I know where St Goar is as I spent some time as a youth in St Goarshausen as well as near Luneburg and Bremen).
The UK is far from perfect but there is still a steady stream of people seeking to enter this "cesspit" legally and illegally. The country is, however, far the better for not having you in it so i for one am happy for you to remain in your "red cesspit". We do not need any more senile old men draining the resources of our welfare state.
........and your Tsingtao Beer, made from "foreign" ingredients is really nothing special. Wouldn't swap a Beck's or Budvar for your Chinese bladder irrigation ever.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 09/01/2009 01:53:40
#124 James Donald,
I noticed that you're comment to me was pretty short Jimmy, running out of gas are you?
And learn how to read, Jimmy boy, I wrote Fred Trucker, notice the 'r' right after the 'T' in Trucker. That would be the same Fred Trucker that goes around saying how James Donald can't do anything wrong, ring any bells Jimmy? Made up your own fan Club eh Jimmy?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/01/2009 02:12:55
#126 POCKMARK,,,...Red China - You noticed? Aren't you the clever boy. No prizes for verbosity, old man, being a pedantic old gas bag is not a vitue.
Any examples of this imaginary Fred T. who sings my praises or is this just another of your deluded little tales? Why not ask your invisible friend that knows me who this FT is? Sad git.
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POSTMARK,-55,

China, 09/01/2009 02:40:00
#127 James Donald,
Go back to sleep Jimmy, i know that it must be difficult for you to know what time it is living down there in your cellar, no light ever makes it in down there, or into your head for that matter. It's 2:45 AM Jimmy, you're grumpy and incoherant.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/01/2009 03:22:15
#128 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - I'll decide, you old dodo. Back to the cellar (or penthouse as it is know in the workers' paradise) thing again eh? Is it senility setting in or are you just plain barking?
No examples of Fred T. fan posts to me? Could it be you are posting BS.....again?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/01/2009 09:17:10
#130 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - So that's a "no" then? I will just put these stories you invent down to your personality disorder(s). These things happen when you drift into old age after a lifetime as a weirdo.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/01/2009 14:43:21
#132 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - Since I did not ask for it to be removed, I have no idea. You wrote it so you should know - maybe it was one of your "stalkers".
You could noy outwit or outclass a stick of celery and the only think you can wind up (apart from yourself, that is) is a cheap gook watch. Baaaarking.....
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/01/2009 17:17:11
#134 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - But yout are a rat, you old guffy, a piece of vermin fit only for poison. Delusional and quite probably mentally unbalanced.
Bide your time, fruit loop, and I hope you enjoy your dottage in a room with rubber wallpaper.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/01/2009 19:19:08
#134 POSTMARK,-55,Red China - Not me again. Either you are doing this yourself (a trick learned from Lynne perhaps) or they really are all out to get you.
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observator,

Edinburgh 07/02/2009 22:25:35
Moves are afoot in Britain to do more to ban or track viewing of certain kinds of pornography on the Internet. i don't think any society will ever finally draw the lines in the correct places on this subject.

 

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