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Published Date: 05 August 2008
CHINA has stepped up its already tight Olympics security in the wake of the suspected Islamic terrorist attack that killed 16 policemen.
The killings in a city near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border prompted Olympic organisers to stress that all precautions had been taken to ensure safety in Beijing and other Olympic venues when the games open on Friday.

"Security for the Olympic Games is of paramount importance. The more we give, the safer and more secure the residents will feel," said a police spokesman.

China has made safety a major priority for the Olympics, mobilising hundreds of thousands of police, military and local residents as part of a huge security net over the capital.

But the attack in Xinjiang underscored that with so much security focused on Beijing areas far from the capital make tempting targets.

Police tightened security checks on roads and public buses in the Xinjiang region today.

The official Xinhua News Agency reported that authorities reinforced the police presence on roads leading into Kashgar and ordered a full security alert in public places, including government office buildings, schools and hospitals.

In Xinjiang's capital of Urumqi, police checked residents' security cards during street patrols.

The 16 officers were killed and another 16 injured yesterday when two men rammed a dumper truck then hurled explosives at a group of jogging policemen.

Both men were captured alive. They are Uighurs, a mainly Muslim ethnic minority group, some of whom have waged a violent rebellion against Chinese rule.

Authorities have been calling the incident a suspected terrorist attack. Last month, an extremist Uighur group believed to be based across the mountainous border in Pakistan's tribal frontier threatened in a video to target the Olympics.

State broadcaster China Central Television said today that the two men, aged 28 and 33, had carefully planned the attack, stealing the truck and ramming it into a group of around 70 border patrol paramilitary police as they passed a hotel during a morning jog. They then hurled the explosives and attacked the policemen with knives.

One of the attackers lost a hand when the home-made explosives blew up.

Afterward, police recovered additional explosives, a gun, and "propaganda materials about a holy war," state media said.

The attack followed years of intensive security measures in Xinjiang. A wave of violence in the 1990s mainly targeted police, officials and Uighurs seen as collaborators. Also in the 1990s, separatists also staged nearly simultaneous explosions on three public buses in the provincial capital of Urumqi.

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  • Last Updated: 05 August 2008 3:05 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 05/08/2008 15:32:26
First question that comes to mind, is it worth losing your hand for a losing cause, or any cause for that matter?
I'm very happy to see that the Chinese government has spared no expense and manpower to ensure the safety of the athletes as well as everybody attending the games and visiting Beijing, it shows responsible governing.
This story just backs up that terrorism is real here in China, and not some made up thing to crack down on the Olympic Games.
It is sad that the world cannot accept that China is a victim as well, and not the perpetrator.
Xinjiang needs to realize that it is a legal part of China, and actions like this one won't solve a thing, it only strengthens the fact that we need to keep tight control on the situation.
In the end we can blame the Dalai Lama for the actions used by the terrorists of Xinjiang, he was the first one to use the Olympics as a spotlight for his cause, they are just copying him.
Thanks old man, I hope you are happy there in your cowardly safe haven, far from the turmoil.
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white cloud,

edinburgh 05/08/2008 16:05:02
I belive everybody wish every where safe and peace! Why not China???

Chinese Goverment has responsibility to tight secuirty for Olympics games and nationwide.

Chinese Goverment learned more from since 14th March in Tibet matter!

Dalai Lama is not real Holly man! Does he really care his homeland people? Doew he really care people who beside him? if so why some Tibens disclose him that he has been lying?!

Falungong, face off between in China and Western, who believe them? stupid and no brian people believe them!
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Bo28,

Midlothian 05/08/2008 17:16:30
Be careful folks...

Basically the 'war-on-terror' is mostly stage managed to allow the finger to be pointed at any country on the slightest pretext and for an invasion to be accepted by the people.

911, 7/7 and Madrid terror events have masses of evidence showing they were carried out by western security forces not 'Islamic fundamentalists'.

The 'war on terror' is also a war against your rights as a human and a citizen, which are being stripped away in the name of 'security'.

Please do your own research an youll find what im saying is correct.

For example - the Bush and Bin Laden families (thats right, the super rich saudi bun ladens that Osama is related to) are both senior investors in the Carlyle group - the biggest supplier of weapons to the u.s military. This is just one example of many.
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Climate change is a fraud,

05/08/2008 19:37:09
Law Professor: Counter Terrorism Czar Told Me There Is Going To Be An i-9/11 And An i-Patriot Act

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Amazing revelations have emerged concerning already existing government plans to overhaul the way the internet functions in order to apply much greater restrictions and control over the web.



http://www.prisonplanet.com/law-professor-counter-terrorism-czar-told-me-there-is-going-to-be-an-i-911-and-an-i-patriot-act.html
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 03:56:37
#3 Finally!
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 03:58:49
Hey, I thought I'd save all you CIA sloganeering trolls the trouble on this thread... here goes:

Gangsta goverment, thugs, falun gong, Panchen Lama, Tibet, Tiananmen, tanks, own people, arrested, gangsta governemnt, Dalai Lama, human rights, organ havesting, torture, thugs...

uh, have I missed any out?
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 05:07:08
#8 Mashimaro,
Oh, only about 500 more statements by Guga ll about our gangster government, you only mentioned two.
And when Horrible wakes up, she'll talk about abduction, kidnapping and murder of the PANCHEN LAMA, not just the name.
And what about getting shot in the back of the head without a trial, or getting shot in the back of the neck after the trial?
And what about blocking access to certain Internet sites, like Amnesty International?
And how about the fact that Beijing has become a fortress?
And what about the air pollution in Beijing?
And what about the air pollution in China?
I have left many out, but I'll let somebody else take over, like the western experts.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 05:11:38
Oh dear, yes... Pollution!

#3 Bo28... It is entirely possible that this is a false flag event. But there is not much China can do about that.
I am sorry that these two pigs lived. It shows great restraint on the part of the police, who fought hand to hand with them to disarm and arrest them while their comrades were lying slaughtered. If this had been any other country, these two would not be alive.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 06:44:15
#10 Mashimaro,
You got that right, in Canada and the USA the favorite lethal weapon of choice is the taser gun, this way they get to watch the perps suffer for awhile. In many cases innocent people get tasered, for the police over there are on the biggest power trip you've ever come across.
Just last year some Polish immigrant met this ugly fate at Vancouver International Airport in Canada, his crime, his mother couldn't locate him at the airport and he could not speak English, so they fried him. Luckily, it was caught on someone's phone camera, one the cops couldn't explain and get away with.
Believe me, China offers more freedom than the west, and not once have I ever been hassled here, not once.
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Conan,

Moffatt 06/08/2008 07:00:31
It is not too late to boycott this obscene travesty.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 07:05:09
#11 "not once have I ever been hassled here, not once"

er, could that be because you're a white devil?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 07:47:21
#10 Mashimaro,Red China - Assuming that this was not a staged "Gleiwitz-type" attack then your police did the right thing in capturing the two Uighurs. No intelligence can be gained by interogating 2 corpses.
After reading the posts of your "White devil" Quisling cohort of how life is so beautiful in the workers paradise, I am surprised that not everyone there feels that way and have to resort to attacks like this. Trouble in paradise?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 08:29:01
Jimmy Dee, every country has its troubles. It is not difficult to find malcontents if you go looking for them.
I am under no illusion that China is any sort of paradise. But it is My home, MY country, MY people and I will not sit by and let your press spread its lies.
I know for western people this is "uncool". That you should always be "anti-establishment" and whine about things as much as possible. We Chinese are not like that. We endure, and we get on with life.
Right now we are doing the best we can.
We have much to be proud of.
You are being lied to and manipulated by your leaders who want to destroy China and Russia. It is not hard to see this if you would only look. If you are really interested I will take the time to explain it to you.
Now those leaders have stepped up their game, hoping to spark a wave of nationalism across the nation by insisting this is some sort of terror attack.
But they sponsor these people to destablise my country. They pay for these murders to bring China to its knees and smash its people back into starvation and poverty. They cat paw with my government, trying to force it into cracking down on its people. They don't care how many Chinese die, as long as China is ruined.
You think I don't see that?
And then they take all of this and wrap it up in a monk's robes and give it a smiling face, and call it "human rights" and "religious freedom" and you and your friends buy into it.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 08:45:51
#15 Mashimaro,Red China - Boiled down, your arguement amounts to that I am being lied to and manipulated by my "leaders" who want to destroy China and Russia. Sorry but this is no more convincing put like this than it is when the message is posted by your vitriolic "Canadian" sidekick.
It is just possible that some in Xinjiang are not happy with their country/province/piece of earth (forget all this "its one China" guff for a second, I won't tell your Commissar if you don't) being effectively colonised by the Han Chinese, who probably now for a majority in the area (if you include the PLA and Police stationed there) in marked contrast to the state of affairs in 1949. These people cannot vote to change the position because they don't vote. Little wonder then that some see the only route to self-determination by armed struggle.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 08:49:08
#13 Mashimaro,
You're too kind. Just a white devil, I get no more recognition than that? Maybe I'll join the Falun Gong.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 08:50:03
It was only after the fall of the Soviet Union that the true extent of armed resistance to the Soviet Union (by the UPA, Forest Brothers and other groups) became apparent. Perhaps it will only be after the fall of the Red Empire in China (whatever form that takes)that the true extent of opposition will be known.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 08:54:07
#16 James Donald.
You know absolutely ZERO about China, and we've watched you spew the same hatred over and over again since joining this forum in March. Either get your facts straight or don't bother commenting about China at all. You don't see us commenting about your country because we don't know it and we quite simply don't care. For once in your life don't believe your media, they only lie, and they will keep doing that while they have a captive audience such as yourself.
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Mashimaro,

06/08/2008 09:49:20
#16 Like I said, Jimmy, you can always find malcontents if you look for them.
These people have never been able to "vote". You assume democracy as a "default" for all nations. That's completely wrong. When was the last election held in an islamist country?
Han Chinese have been colonising the world for centuries. Wherever they go they bring wealth by dint of their ability to work hard and take little profit.
So these guys that are upset are basically upset for what? THat they have education or health care? They didn't have that before the Han got there.
You assume these people were living happily before the communists came to power. That's just rubbish. You assume that everywhere on earth was utopia before the nasty commies marched in and forced everyone to.... to what?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 10:06:35
#17 Sorry, but it is entirely possible. A certain Mongolian I know gets asked for his papers every time he puts his nose outside the door.
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Mashimaro,

06/08/2008 10:09:09
#18 Yeah, it's always easy to be an armchair warrior. I don't know about your corner of the world but people in China become whatever it is expediant to be. If the emperor wears a pig tail, they'll wear pigtails. If he doesn't they'll not.
If so many people were actively fighting to bring down the USSR... why didn't they?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 10:12:53
#19 postmarkfiftyphive,China - You seem to be confusing me with someone that gives a stuff what you think. I'll decide what I post, how and when not some second-rate propagandist.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 10:52:52
#20 Mashimaro - If people cannot achieve self-determination by democratic means then they will resort to armed rebellion. Islamists don't believe in democracy so armed resistance is a first resort. This area wasn't such a problem for the CCP in the past when it bordered the Soviet Union but things are more open in the region now and it is possible that Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan and/or Tajikistan could harbour these "malcontents" as you call them. Here is an interesting article from Le Monde - over 10 years old now but worth a read if you can stomach "lying Western media" etc...etc... blah...blah....
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 10:59:57
#20 Mashimaro - Better give you the link eh (not evern Communist supermen are that good): http://mondediplo.com/1997/09/uighur
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 11:03:00
#22 Mashimaro - Not many "armchair warriors" in the UPA and the Forest Brothers and not just because of a shortage of airchairs. Hundreds of heavily armed German Divisions could not overthrow the Soviet Union, so post WW2 resistance groups had little chance against millions of Red Army and NKVD troops. This did not stop them fighting for the freedom of their homelands (as opposed to trying to overthrow the Soviet Union) from Communist oppression, but then again, there are malcontents everywhere, right?
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Mashimaro,

06/08/2008 11:03:05
#24 "Mashimaro - If people cannot achieve self-determination by democratic means then they will resort to armed rebellion." Absolute rubbish.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 11:07:18
#23 James Donald,
What's happening to you, you're slipping. I'm only a 10th rate propagandist, but you've bumped me up all the way to 2nd. Thanks buddy, it won't be soon forgotten.
And you're also getting kinder with your insults, old age has set in has it?
Now kindly stick to the stories from and about your beloved Scotland, like I said before, you know Zero about China, and everytime you open your mouth your ignorance shows.
By the way, the same goes for Russia, you know squat about them as well.
Now just in case you have forgotten, this story is about the cold blooded murder of 16 policemen committed by your beloved Communist haters.
So comment about the story, or go back to sleep.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 11:25:42
#27 Mashimaro - "Absolute rubbish" - That's a well thought out and well presented point. No wonder you are a journalist.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 11:28:06
#29 a journo who is at work and being interrupted... lol... and now the internet ate the rest of my response.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 11:34:00
#28 postmarkfiftyphive,Red China - I thought it would give you a boost. Actually, tenth rate would be promotion for you as your vitriol is counter-productive.
How many times do I have to tell you, I don't do requests. I'll post what I want, about what I want and when I want - no Commissar here to tell me what to do.
I don't think I even mentioned Russia in my posts but rather the Soviet Union. Seems you not even know as much as squat.
The story is actually about "the suspected Islamic terrorist attack that killed 16 policemen" as opposed to "the cold blooded murder of 16 policemen committed by your beloved Communist haters" but perhaps this is the party line you have been ordered to spout.

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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 11:35:57
#30 Mashimaro,Red China - Oh dear, I'm sorry as hell. Feel free to crack on with your work if you can't multi task.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 12:04:19
It went something like this... Those people who fought the USSR were supported and encouraged by western forces. Not, as you would imagine, because of "democracy" but because rich people don't like communism and want it broken at all costs.
You can see this if you go back through history and look at how every time a country became communist, the west has slapped it down, attacked it, invaded it, wrecked it and shut it off from the rest of the world with sanctions and embargos and all sorts of other tools at its disposal.
This is exactly what has been going on since the Russian revolution and exactly what continues to go on today.
The core of Russia has held strong against this onslaught, and yes, it continues to be an onslaught - you only have to read your press to work that one out - and for its pains it continues to be surrounded by a ring of steel. The west was quite happy when the alcoholic bufoon Boris Yeltsin allowed them to loot the USSR, but the minute Putin rode into town that stopped and changed, and look at the savagery of the attacks against him.
"Democracy" has just replaced the old religions as a means of keeping the poor people poor and the rich folk rich. It is what the poor westerners will die for but more importantly it is what the rich westerners will kill for.
Once again I would point you to Genghis Khan and Iraq -almost 1,000 years of peace under a dictator. It's more than we've ever seen.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 12:22:22
#33 Mashimaro,Red China - To borrow from your earlier post "Absolute rubbish". The Baltic States in particular were peaceful, modern states when they were occupied by the Red Army. Thereafter any resistance was brutally supressed to the extent that much of the population initially welcomed the Germans (also traditionally seen as a foe in the Baltic States) in June 1941. These countries only became communist becaust it was imposed upon them by force and they resisted the Soviet Union accordingly in the hope of regaining national independence and freedom from Communist oppresion.
Look at these countries now compared to Russia. The biggest problem they face now (apart from having bullying Russia as a neighbour) is trying to integrate the ethnic Russians who were sent as "pseudo-colonists" during the time of Soviet control as they were seen as more reliable (sound familiar) than the Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians.
Who needs peace, when it is the peace of the grave-yard or the Gulag?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 13:25:07
Jimmy Dee was the mass deleter???
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 13:45:30
That SUCKS! What's the matter Jimmy? can't you fight fair?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 13:47:19
#38 Regina,NH, USA 06/08/2008 - I can honestly state that i have not deleted a single post but then, I don't work for the Scotsman. Haven't you got any actual comments on the story rather than this mince?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 13:48:51
#39 Mashimaro,Red China - Don't be silly now and DNFT.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 15:03:12
#45 postmarkfiftyphive aka Zedong etc....,Red China - Everyone has my number - what number is that 54 or fifty phive?
"Now if you have nothing intelligent to bring to the table, shut up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - I don't take orders or do requests - If you do not post foolish nonsense like this you will have no problems with the editors of the Scotsman.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 15:07:07
#42 Rosie's Opinion,USA - Unless you are a personal friend of an editor of the Scotsman then you have no idea who reports a post and why. It is quite possible for a poster to report their own post as unsuitable (try reporting your own post to see that this is the case).
Since you seem to have nothing to comment about the actual story, you might consider #45's parting "advice".
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mike - across the pond,

James Donald 06/08/2008 15:12:25
looks like the little yellow quibblers are hot on your trail....

chin up pal... they consider the dalai lama a terrorist too... as they do anyone who differs with their "well informed" opinions...

and for the little yellow quibblers... well, I dont see any "deleted" posts... maybe you should look at your local editors...
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57Nomad,

california 06/08/2008 15:21:55
#33mashedpotatoes

Mashy said:

"You can see this if you go back through history and look at how every time a country became communist, the west has slapped it down, attacked it, invaded it, wrecked it and shut it off from the rest of the world with sanctions and embargos and all sorts of other tools at its disposal."

Oh, is that right? Perhaps you'd like to comment on the following countries and compare US actions to Russian.

Poland
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Romania
East Germany
Latvia
Estonia
Albania,
Bulgaria

These are formerly Communist countries and they suffered for fifty years of secret police, gulags, knocks on the door in the middle of the night, no free speech or freedom of the press.

Don't you think it's ironic that you as a member of a slave state with no freedom of the press, are lodging your protests against the west when you would be imprisoned if you were to do the same about the CCP?

Stay where you are.

Aristotle:

"The master
uses his intellect to rule, and the natural slave uses his body to labor."

That's you, mashedpotatoes, a natural slave.

From the words of the old negro spiritual:

"And before I'll be a slave,
I'll be buried in my grave
and go home to my lord
and be free."

For a more lyrical take on this song I have posted below a link to the Joan Baez version. Listen to the voice of the people, mashy, you are on the wrong side of history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcNN5SEb-Kg
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 15:28:59
And this from the same 57Nomad who claims that North America consists of only three countries.
Get an education in life and academics little boy, hopefully it's not too late for you.
And this is the same 57Nomad who advices me to drop the last "s" in anyways, as if there is more than one "s".
And this coming from the same 57Nomad who has been claiming all along that the US has won the war in Iraq, but are getting killed daily despite having won the war. Yeah little boy, you have sooooooooo much credibility.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 15:46:31
#48 postmarkfiftyphive,Red China - Me thinks you have an unhealthy interest in this place. As I think you read yesterday on another thread (before you became bored with it), I drink in the Newbridge Inn. Maybe Dragonhead can pop in for a pint on his next visit to Edinburgh and I will introduce him to the locals (perhaps a free flying lesson also).
Since Communists are specialists in premeditated, cold-blooded murder you should recognise it when you see it, however, even in the workers' paradise, surely they prefer at least the pretence of a Police investigation before making rash statements.
Since your government has supported "terrorist" movements around the world in the past, this seems more like poetic justice.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 15:50:17
#49 mike - across the pond - Who really gives a stuff what these loobies think - I have the same regard for them as I have for last night's evening news i.e. nil.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/08/2008 15:56:21
Ah Nomad, the one man I respected in an argument on here until you too were unable to admit when you were proven wrong.
Thanks for that tirade but you missed the point.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 15:59:42
#54 James Donald aka Vehm Gericht,
You for one really gives a "stuff" about what I think, for you respond everytime, and you respond with all the class of a typical little tattle tale. Everybody is on to you and how you have people banned when you lose an argument, for you have yet to win one. Now again 'boy', stick to the story at hand, and admit that what happened in Xinjiang was cold blooded murder, and nothing less. If this had happened on your soil, you would call it cold blooded murder, but then again, over there it's the Brits that get murdered, and not the Communists. And that to you makes all the difference. Remember 7/7, and tell me it wasn't cold blooded and pre-meditated murder.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 06/08/2008 18:16:07
#56 postmarkfiftyphive aka Zedong, aka Fake Scot in China etc... Red China - By "everyone" you presumably mean you and your "alter egos" or has your Walter Mitty syndrome struck again? We have had terrorist campaigns in Britain and have also defeated Communist terror campaigns before (such as Malaya) and it is best never to jump to conclusions especially when dealing with Red scum.
Your own Government supported the terrorists of ZANLA in the Rhodesia wars for example, so I don't think Communists are in any position to point the finger when it comes to cold blooded murder. They have been perfecting the art since 1917 and have murdered millions.
Off to bo bos now Opa, and don't forget to look in the mirror and tell yourself how good you are.
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57Nomad,

california 06/08/2008 19:28:12
#3booboo

booboo said:

"Basically the 'war-on-terror' is mostly stage managed to allow the finger to be pointed at any country on the slightest pretext and for an invasion to be accepted by the people."

Stage managed?!?!?! I have a question for you. How is it that the West, stage managing experts that they are, came up with AQ in Iraq? Where did we get the opposition guys? Times must be tough in the Arabian entertainment industry to get actors to play in a production that uses live bullets. Here's the real question. Was Saddam whacked because he forgot his lines, did he demand a bigger trailer on the set, did he storm off the set because of a fight with the director over which profile was the most flattering?

Stage managed, indeed!
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57Nomad,

california 06/08/2008 19:42:50
Anyone care to speculate what powers this devilish monstrosity? This horrible 'taser' thing. What is the secret source of this instrument of oppression? Anyone care to guess?

Answer, a regular 9 volt battery. How barbaric!
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57Nomad,

california 06/08/2008 19:49:50
#27 mashedpotatoes

mashy said:

""Mashimaro - If people cannot achieve self-determination by democratic means then they will resort to armed rebellion." Absolute rubbish."

Absolute rubbish?? I see. What method did the Big Eggroll, aka, chairman mao, use to bring "democracy" to China. And who was it that said, "Political power grows out of a barrel of a gun?"

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American,

06/08/2008 20:35:40
#3-muhammed--thanks for the laugh!
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57Nomad,

california 06/08/2008 20:47:20
#52 Postmarkpussy

Pmp said:

"And this coming from the same 57Nomad who has been claiming all along that the US has won the war in Iraq, but are getting killed daily despite having won the war. Yeah little boy, you have sooooooooo much credibility."

Yes, I have a great deal of credibility but I don't need to rely on my personal opinions. I gave this link out already but maybe the news was to grim to contemplate. Here it is again, Zero.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzxqARN0Huv38n5pgDfdBRwuoiZgD925HT7G0

There you go, Scooter. Now this:

"Mr. Sadr’s chief spokesman, Sheik Salah al-Obeidi, states that the Mahdi Army will now be guided by Shi'ite spirituality instead of anti-American militancy. The group will focus on education, religion and social justice, according to the brochure, which is aimed at Mr. Sadr’s followers. The brochure also states that it “is not allowed to use arms at all.”"

Hmmm getting killed daily? Where did you get that piece of news? There were 5 combat deaths in Iraq in July and six accidental deaths. Sorry dufus, once again, you lose.

Got it, dork. You lost, we won. You are a pack of pathetic losers whose insignia ought to be Wile E. Coyote treading air over the Grand Canyon.

Try to get this through your granite skull: the only thing you losers are every going to be better at than we are is losing!!


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white cloud,

07/08/2008 00:10:07
someone said who will join Fulungong? can I ask you why?

Funlungong from the beggining told people this gong could treat sick people didnot need any medicine could get well. Poor people belived that, it seemed work for them (actually that psypisical worked for them, then starting spread the information, and more people join, more money the master of Falungong earned. how many people just believed this gong, they refused to see doctor and died?

They came to here to seek protest, do you believe them? fanglungong said: trueth, tolerance, compassion, that is completely rubbish!
falungong in May at NewYork, they interfered with other people with collect dontions for Sichuan earthquake,their action compassion? trueth? and tolerance?
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white cloud,

07/08/2008 00:21:20
4. Stupid, it is for people seldom use own brian to think! more comment on 65.

kill them and harvest their organs? have you seen this or you heard someone said? this thing is seriously, I will not believe who said, including media!

Media reported Chinese goverment met assistand of Dalai Lama in June or beginning July. Dalai lama not really wants to sort this history porblem out, because he said to public, he does not be independant, but he sent his assistant whose group?/orgnization? said they want tibet completely indendant, do you think dalai lama really want to sort the problem out?
Perhaps if Chinese officials actually met with the Dalai Lama they could change the course of history
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white cloud,

07/08/2008 00:25:17
pollution problem in china!

It is really a big problem! but think about it, worldwide factries moved to china. We enjoy nice clean blue sky and pay afforable product made in china, leave pollution overthere, then we start blame them?

eh, think about it!
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 02:32:33
Nomad: "Stage managed?!?!?! I have a question for you. How is it that the West, stage managing experts that they are, came up with AQ in Iraq? Where did we get the opposition guys? Times must be tough in the Arabian entertainment industry to get actors to play in a production that uses live bullets. Here's the real question. Was Saddam whacked because he forgot his lines, did he demand a bigger trailer on the set, did he storm off the set because of a fight with the director over which profile was the most flattering?"

Oh god... do some reading will you. Sometime. Just do some darn READING. Perhaps you might have to go outside your comfort zone of this western propaganda mouthpiece. But please...read read read read
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 02:34:48
Nomad57 you are really just babbling now. You've jumped in on a coversation you've apparently not read and obviously do not understand.. You're just making a complete fool of yourself, worse than the guys who attack each other on these threads. So wipe the spittle off your chin and go back to hospital for more medication.
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:51:00
#68 mashy

Mashy said:

"Oh god... do some reading will you. Sometime. Just do some darn READING. Perhaps you might have to go outside your comfort zone of this western propaganda mouthpiece. But please...read read read read"

This is in response to the hilarious statement in post
#3 that the war on terror is "stage managed."

You see, comrade, I am say free to read anything I please. You aren't. I am free to associate with anyone I please. I am free to worship God anyway I please. I am free to travel anywhere I please. And unlike you, I am free to read whatever I please. You aren't. You are free to do none of these things because you are a slave.

So before you even think of telling a free man to do some reading, you should consider the fact that you are not free to do so. Consequently, you have it backward, don't you. Try to defy the state in the Big Ricebowl and you will find yourself out of the city, and into the country guiding a water buffalo through a rice paddy. Or on your knees waiting for a bullet through the back of the head.

And as far as the personal attacks go, I think some of them are kind of humorous, I enjoy them. But as I have said many times, they are like being hit by a Kleenex. They lack any force because you do not dispute what I say, only attack me as a person for saying it. Do you think that people don't notice that? The poster I was referencing said that the war on terror was stage managed. I refuted that by addressing the subject. You haven't and the reason that you haven't is that you haven't got the brains to cobble together anything remotely cogent.

As I said, your insults are kind of cute, but there's not much sting in cute. Until you can make a case to refute me instead of simply laying out the limp-wristed, mincing little psuedo witticisms you will persuade no one.
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 10:03:52
#69 mash

mash said:

"You've jumped in on a coversation (sic) you've apparently not read and obviously do not understand.."

You are the person who cautions others to do some reading? Physician, heal thyself. If you have the attention span to accomplish this difficult feat you will find out that I was responding to poster #3. Posts 1 and 2 concerned china. Post #3 refers to the war on terror. They are unrelated. Therefore your comment that I have "jumped in on a coversation" is nonsense isn't it? What conversation would that be?

Hey, aren't you the jerk who was telling me I ought to do some reading. Well, aren't you? So, clod, do some reading of your own before you try to mix it up with the big boys. Now go kiss your portrait of Mao, eat your rice, and go to bed.




















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57Nomad,

california 08/08/2008 09:27:51
Posters on this thread have pointed out that there are more than 3 countries in North America. Let's examine that because it's a legitimate dispute.

It depends on the source. For instance Central America. Here is the definition of Central America:

"It is variably defined either as the southern portion of North America, which connects with South America on the southeast, or as a region of the American continent in its own right"

So, there are reasonable issues to debate here. But, to consider Central America as part of the North American Continent is simply a matter of choice, there is no agreed upon designation for it.

As for the Caribbean Islands here is what the Britannica has to say:

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: West Indies

Islands, enclosing the Caribbean Sea. Lying between southeastern North America and northern South America, they may be divided into the following groups: the Greater Antilles, including Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola (Haiti and the Dominican Republic), and Puerto Rico; the Lesser Antilles, including the Virgin Islands, Windward Islands, Leeward Islands, Barbados, and the islands in the southern Caribbean Sea north of Venezuela (generally considered to include Trinidad and Tobago); and the Bahamas. Although physiographically not a part of the West Indies, Bermuda is often included."

The Britannica doesn't consider them to part of either North or South America, but as an archipelago distinct from both North and South America.

However I would like to congratulate the person who posted this as it is a good example of arguing to the point and not to the person. Nice jousting, guy, that's more like it. Much appreciated.


 

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