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Published Date: 07 August 2008
THERE'S nothing that Iain Thom won't campaign about. Described by friends as a "compassionate socialist", he has joined protest groups ranging from Freedom for Zimbabwe to Stop the Heathrow Expansion.
But his latest publicity stunt is the most audacious to date. Yesterday a dramatic pro-Tibet protest outside the Olympic stadium saw him arrested along with three other activists.

The Edinburgh 24-year-old, Lucy Fairbrother, from Cambridge, and two US activists unfurled a Free Tibet banner in Beijing, just hours before the Olympic torch was due to arrive in the city's Tiananmen Square.

All four are expected to be deported at the earliest opportunity, according to the Xinhua Chinese news agency.

Friends yesterday said they were not at all surprised by his actions on this latest crusade and said he had expected to be arrested.

In 2004, as an active member of Students for Free Tibet, he campaigned against the Chinese army's appearance at the Edinburgh Tattoo which saw a number of arrests.

A year later, he was among student demonstrators who padlocked a large banner to the city's Scott Monument in protest against the possible lifting of the EU arms embargo on China.

Lorraine Simpson, a friend and former neighbour, said Mr Thom was deeply moved by the Tibet campaign and was regularly involved in fund-raising for the cause.

She said: "I think his decision to get involved with Tibet was a gradual thing. He was passionate about the issue and has been for a number of years. He's a really kind-hearted, compassionate man. He was always skint, but he did a lot of voluntary work, always helping people out.

"Iain didn't tell me what he was going to do in China. He just said he was going to be busy over the Edinburgh Festival."

The Edinburgh University graduate was detained yesterday morning after climbing a 120ft-street light to hang a giant pro-Tibet banner.

The four protesters are members of the Students for a Free Tibet (SFT) group. They were arrested at 7am local time after having displayed two 140sq ft banners outside the heavily guarded Bird's Nest Olympic stadium for nearly an hour.

The protest came as a major embarrassment to the host nation ahead of tomorrow's opening ceremony. Two other SFT members, James Murray and Jenny Raynor, scaled Tower Bridge in London yesterday to display a banner that read: "Beijing 2008: Make Olympic History: Free Tibet."

Born in Inverness, Mr Thom was educated at Muir of Ord Primary School before moving on to nearby Dingwall Academy.

The 24-year-old graduated in environmental geoscience from Edinburgh University, where he was president of Tibet Society.

After a period of travelling, he was employed as an environmental justice project officer by Friends of the Earth and is currently on leave of absence.

On Facebook, the social networking site, he outlines his interests in 28 different protest groups. After his stunt dozens of messages of support flooded into his Facebook account. One of them read: "I know you won't read this but I'm writing it anyway.

"You are amazing. Well done."

Activist's passionate fight to give people their freedom

WAITING anxiously for news from China, Brian Thom said he was "extremely proud" of his son's stance on human rights.

Speaking from the family home in Muir of Ord, near Inverness, Iain's father said he had received a text from him since his arrest and had no reason to believe he had been treated inhumanely by the Chinese authorities.

"I am very proud of him. He is passionate about their human rights. I take my hat off to him.

"He has taken up the cause and wants to highlight it to the world."

Mr Thom said his son's interest in Tibet had been sparked as a student, and that he had visited the region shortly after graduating two years ago. He said he was aware of his son's protest plans before he left for China but did not try to stand in his way.

"He was so passionate about it I couldn't say don't do it. In fact, I wholeheartedly backed him.

"He set out to achieve something, and he has done that."

Iain's father, mother, Bettie, a district nurse, and younger sister Aileen, 21, were first alerted of his detention by the Students for a Free Tibet.

Mr Thom added: "An hour later we got a text from him to say he was well and he had been detained and they were looking after him. My wife and myself are worried about him, but we are sure he is safe and the Chinese will treat him fairly and we hope to see him soon."

Mr Thom recorded a statement while making his protest, suspended from a lighting pole.

He said: "I'm a long-term Tibet supporter and I feel that now is a really critical time for Tibet.

"We did this action today to highlight the Chinese government's use of the Beijing Olympics as a propaganda tool."


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  • Last Updated: 06 August 2008 11:34 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
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07/08/2008 00:30:32
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A Scot in China,

Chongqing 07/08/2008 00:45:25
I am embarressed, what a complete clown, for someone so smart how come he is so poorly informed. Why doesn't go home a protest about something meaningful, like what to do with the growing number of neds we have in Scotland and their anti social behaviour. Go down to Pilton or wester hails and unfold a flag that says "get to school and get an education neds" or "mum and dad, your kids are stealing cars whilst your out of it on buckie"
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Scullion,

Canada 07/08/2008 01:15:12
How can someone who is involved in 28 different organizations convince anyone that he is committed to any? Although China should be constantly be protested against, as it is a gangster regime (#2 seems a typical apologist), this young man just comes off as being a professional crank.
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Daft Old Git,

07/08/2008 01:15:48
Get a proper job and start paying back society for your education you waster
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VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

edinburgh 07/08/2008 01:25:14
Although I agree that China are in the wrong over Tibet and should withdraw immediately it's strange that he has the brass necked hypocrisy to complain.
Being British and being politically aware he must know that we helped to annexe Iraq and Afghanistan illegaly and to the dismay of the local population. China have undoubtably committed atrocities in Tibet but I doubt if it comes close to the ' Shock and Awe ' that we did to Iraq.
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2dogs in D.C.,

07/08/2008 01:32:43
Yeah, but the right to protest,no matter what,and by whom, should be allowed, if done peacefully.
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white cloud,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 01:35:28
He is idiot! Dont mind tibet, what about scotland?

If he died, do his parents still proud of him?

Tibet free or not, is not depends on chinese goverment and dalai lama, it is depends on tibetan who live in tibet NOT tibetan who live outside china.

which country hosts the olympic, that is voted by other countries, how could say Chinese government's use of the Beijing Olympics as a propaganda tool?

Does he think chinese people lack freedom in china? A edinburgh student simply think like this? I believe there are many chinese students at Edinburgh university, why donot ask them, then makes adjudgement?

Over 2000 chinese people for street demonstration on 19th April for olympic torch matter and medias are lopsided reported. If lack freedom in china, why chinese people stand up to protect these things?
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Jock MacSprog,

07/08/2008 01:37:39
how embarassing the Scotland is so starved for news involving its own citizens that anything makes the front page. This story rated little more than 1 sentence if anything anywhere else in the world, yet here we are day 2 of coverage in the Scotsman. We really do need to stop gazing at our own navels in this country.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 07/08/2008 02:08:13
This juvenile clown is no more than a simpleton idealist whose real life has yet to unfold. His idiot slobbering liberal father is little better, as seen on TV.

Seeking to take sides with an issue of which Iain Thom clearly has little understanding does neither him nor Scotland any favours. Let me see ... what are his worthy opinions (and blatant public demonstrations) on filthy neddery in his home city, for example? (See post #2) Silence? No surprise. How about Islam over Edinburgh? No comment? Immature fool. Complete fool, like the dimwits who called him a hero on a previous thread. Hero?? LOL!
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A Scot in China,

Chongqing 07/08/2008 02:17:19
Daft old git #4, spot on mate
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 02:25:21
#6 "Yeah, but the right to protest,no matter what,and by whom, should be allowed, if done peacefully."

Why? This is OUR country. OUR rules dude. I don't come to YOUR country and start carving up puppies for stew. If you are a guest in MY home you should have to good manners to respect my rules, as I would have the good manners to respect YOURS.
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 02:27:19
#5 "Although I agree that China are in the wrong over Tibet and should withdraw immediately it's strange that he has the brass necked hypocrisy to complain."

We'll consider withdrawing from Tibet when all you whites have left the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya, South Africa, Canada. You have no right to be there, no right to rule in the places where you do rule. Liberate THOSE people you hypocrits.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 03:07:47
Mashimaro,
On page three of the regular news at the Scotsman, please read this story and see the classic comments.


"Edinburgh man among four arrested in Beijing for Tibetan protest"
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 03:17:13
At the age of 24, he's a young man that should be working, and not travelling the Globe making a fool of himself while breaking the law.
Mashimaro has already summed it up as I did yesterday at the above mentioned article at post #16.
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 04:07:57
#12 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

"in MY home you should have to good manners to respect my rules, as I would have the good manners to respect YOURS."

Your gangster government didn't exactly respect these rules when it invaded and occupied Tibet, did it?

Instead, they are murdering, torturing and gaoling the Tibetan people, and filling their country with Han Chinese.

Like the Americans and their greed for oil in the Middle East, the gangster Chinese government wants to get its hands on all the natural resources in Tibet, at the expense of the Tibetan nation and people. They also want to get their hands on Xinjiang, with its vast gas, oil and mineral reserves, at the expense of the Uighurs.

So don't lecture us about respecting other people's rights when your imperialist gangster government are not prepared to do so.

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DaughterofScotland,

Too far from Alba 07/08/2008 04:20:59
#7
"Over 2000 chinese people for street demonstration
on 19th April for olympic torch matter and medias
are lopsided reported. If lack freedom in china, why
chinese people stand up to protect these things?"

The Chinese government has said outright that only
"invited guests" are involved in these "pro" demonstrations, ie, handpicked by the government. Other people (whether they are "for" or "against") are kept far away from the invited guests and events by police and barriers. I don't think you can call such demonstrations illustrations of "freedom", do you?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 04:47:54
googoo... pot... kettle...black...

rant all you like, it's ours. It's been ours for longer than we've ever needed or wanted or thought we needed its natural resources so quit yer nonsense.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 04:48:31
#20 DaughterofScotland,
You need to realize why these measures have been put into place. They are there to protect all concerned, whether it be the athletes, foreign or Chinese visitors, foreign or Chinese media, and everybody present. You just can't have everybody doing whatever anywhere, for you lose control of the situation, and with global terror being truly global. we need to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
So by giving protesters a place to protest, away from the Olympic venues, it is easier to keep an eye on all concerned.
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 04:49:40
#20 Yeah because they can't let 1.3 billion people out on to the streets to protest. Did you miss the protests at Carrefour? Did you miss the pro-China marches in the west and on the mainland. I know Scotland is at the end of the earth but you'd have to be in a coma not to have seen Chinese people stand up for China.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/08/2008 05:53:12
6 - tell that to the anti-democratic imperialist Maoist running dogs who've posted on this threid
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A Scot in China,

Chongqing 07/08/2008 05:55:00
Most people seem to disregard the fact that since China brought back Tibet into the motherland after a ffity year absence things there have dramatically improved for all concerned, the Tibetans lived in serfdom prior to their liberation by the communists. The only problem the Chinese have is that the Dalai Lama runs a much better PR campaign than them when it comes to Tibet.
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 07/08/2008 05:56:21
What a waster !!

Wee man, grow up, join the real world and get yourself a job !
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 06:00:20
#23 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

Of course Chinese people stand up for China but, unfortunately, the majority tend to believe everything your imperialist gangster government brainwashes them into believing.

They are fed a diet of lies and propaganda by the likes of Xinhua and the gangster government controlled media. Any of them that have doubts, and have the temerity to express them, are immediately sent away for "re-education" and/or a long gaol sentence and/or a bullet in the back of the head.

China has the potential to be a great country, but it is being held back by a gangster government, supported by their PLA thugs.
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 06:02:22
#25. You are obviously one of those people that would vote for a monkey with a red rosette.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 06:44:54
# Guga ll,
Here we go again old buddy. Now you notice that #25 is a Scot in China, and I'm a Canadian in China, and because we both live here, we both know that things in China have vastly improved. For once buddy, take our words for it. A Scot in China lives in Chongqing, a city I left four weeks ago to go on my honeymoon, and I'm heading to Shanghai when my honeymooon is over, for my company has transferred me back there.
So I have been around China a fair amount, because of my work, and I've seen a thing or two, and have talked to a couple or more people. All agree that China is not perfect, but has come a long way from the Tiananmen days nearly 20 years ago.
So China not only has the potential to be a great country, it already is, and steadily improving. So Guga ll, I'm inviting you again to visit our great country, you'll be pleasantly surprised, and I'll even let you stay with us in our home in Shanghai, free of charge. You buy the plane tickets, room and board are on me. Shanghai is a good jumping off point, for it is very modern and quite westernized, and after that you can slowly venture deeper into China and get the true feeling of China, without getting the sh!t shocked out of you because of the vast differences from the west. Offer is open anytime buddy, you know you'll always find me here in the comments section defending China.
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Augusta,

Kirkcaldy 07/08/2008 06:51:05
History is made - Scot with a moral compass! Can it
be true?
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 06:56:15
#30 Augusta,
Not all Scots are as arrogant and as ignorant as Sean Connery, and thank God for that.
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Boy Wonder,

07/08/2008 07:14:17
Well, I for one applaud Mr Thom ... at least he protested IN China, a country not known for its relaxed attitudes to ANY kinds of protests.

Some of us will never forget the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 culminating in the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 07:18:59
#32 James Donald,
How many times do I need to remind you that if you don't have any input on the story, then shut up and go back to sleep.
It irks you all to hell that the Chinese government is showing such a high level of responsibility, for you'd be happy if people were to die here attending our Olympics just so you could throw stones at us for being irresponsible.
So I'll say it again, if you have no input, shut the hell up, we all know how biased you are, and can't form a clear and unbiased opinion.
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 07:28:24
#33 Boy Wonder,
So what exactly is it that you remember about the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests? Nothing, zero, zilch. What you remember is the garbage that your lying western media showed and told you, but you weren't actually here. So you know nothing first hand about it. It is what we more commonly refer to hearsay, nothing more.

If Iain Thom wants to protest here, we have designated public parks for just such occasions, for obvious reasons. It has been put in place to protect all concerned, and to keep things from getting out of hand, again, it's called responsible governing.

Break our laws, suffer the consequences, if we break yours while in your country and are caught, we too would lose our freedom, and rightly so.
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donald,

glasgow 07/08/2008 07:39:56
Well done. When do British socialists ever protest for Scotland? Will he protest against the London Olympics?
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MR.CYNICAL,

a happy place 07/08/2008 07:44:30
time he went to ZIMBABWEE and protested, I wonder if we would see him again.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 07/08/2008 07:49:27
#34 postmarkfiftyphive,Red cesspit - ...and how many times do I have to tell you that I don't take orders from Red scum? No matter how often and how much you defend the workers' paradise you will not convince anyone with your propaganda beyond a few "useful idiots".
Anything that hacks off Chicom trolls and their vile government can't be bad.....
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 07/08/2008 07:56:23
It would fit this blatant"publicity seeker" to fight and show the same concern for the restoration of his own Nation's freedom to become Independent!
Where does hhe find the finances for traveling around the planet to interfere in other Nation's internal problems?
It wouldn't be 10 Downing street who is his financiers
by any chanmce?
Does he ever do any worthwhile employment?
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Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

07/08/2008 08:01:41
Lets go to China and get on the tele. Comes accross as just another clown trying to kick start a political career. He obviously knows best about everything but hey that's compassionate socialism for you. You are all idiots, Nanny State knows best.
~33 Boy Wonder, yes protested in China, knowing and relying on the fact he would most almost certainly only be deported to more media coverage.
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Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

07/08/2008 08:03:22
41 Wattie - he works for Greenpeace so its the CIA who fund him.
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Reiver97,

Borders 07/08/2008 08:31:39
Wealthy middle-class white brats really prove their 'progressive' credentials when they go tell johnny foreigner how to run their countries, don't they. Mummy and Daddy must be so proud. Not to mention those chaps at the Foreign Office.

Perhaps this 'compassionate socialist' should learn about how short and brutal life was in 'free' tibet before it was brought into the modern world by those evil communists with their 'oppressive' school, road, sanitation and hospital building programmes.

When anyone else can match China's acheivement in lifting 400 Million people from abject poverty in 30 years, surely the most fundamental of human rights, then perhaps they will have some moral authourity when it comes to lecturing others on their particular perceived shortfalls.

And let's just not mention Britains own perfidious role in China. The Opium Wars? Sorry, we dont talk about that do we?

Climbing lamposts whilst doing a bit of 'revolutionary' tourism and selling rubbish lefty papers outside Tesco's doesnt cut it in comparison really, does it?
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E1izabeth,

Gourock 07/08/2008 08:41:00
I can’t believe the lack of support this man has had on here, well done to him and all the other protestors for standing up for what they believe in, I hope he gets back home safely. Without the Iain Thoms of the world we’d have far fewer rights.
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yockel,

07/08/2008 08:45:21
I agree send him to Zimbabwe, how about Darfur, the Rawand/Congo border or downtown Rio. Kitty to help him on his way, anyone?
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Alan Reid,

NZ 07/08/2008 08:46:14
All the people who slag off this guy, of course stand up and do their bit for freedom whilst sitting on their backsides.

#44, I agree with you.

34 postmarkfiftyphive, was it not some Chinese students complained to Aberdden Uni, because someone had a poster of the Dalai Lama up in their window a while back?
Yes there is lots of things the Yanks do and have done wrong. But we're allowed to call their fool of a president just that, a fool! because it's the people have something called freedom, unlike the people of China who are MISruled by murdering scumbags.

Mashimaro, How did the Japanese school books calling the Rape of Nanking, "rough policing" grab you?

If you people want China to be respected as a superpower, thats fine, but China has to act like one.
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yockel,

07/08/2008 08:47:26
#47 The little urd is already on a plane to Frankfurt. Will be a hero next.
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yockel,

07/08/2008 08:48:32
#50 Just don't give Osama a lift.
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Darrell Monteith,

Northern Ireland 07/08/2008 08:49:50
This type of loonie left winger probably also protested to get Mugabe into power in Zimbabwe as well, it is a pity so many protestors don't have much by way of brain and then they might be more circumspect and even get listened to more.
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écossais at heart,

france 07/08/2008 09:08:23
I think this "Bash China" campaign is unfair in the sense that we "westerners" assume rather arrogantly that we have lessons to give to the rest of the world. OK, so China is not perfect but does that mean our model is perfect and therefore the only one that will fit the rest of the world? China has definitely accomplished a lot for its people over a short period of time despite he fact that "freedom of speech" and what we refer to as "human rights" are not (yet) their core values. But wouldn't you agree that they are moving in the right direction and that we should give them credit where credit is due?
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:08:48
#25 ASnC

AS said:

"the Tibetans lived in serfdom prior to their liberation by the communists."

All communists are serfs. All communists are property of the state.
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:12:28
#7 white cloud

wc said:

"Does he think chinese people lack freedom in china?"

He probably thinks that way the same reason everybody else does. We saw the way freedom in China is tolerated when the Chinese army slaughtered unarmed students in Tienanmen Square.
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:19:21
#56 écossais at heart

"China has definitely accomplished a lot for its people over a short period of time"

So did Mussolini and Hitler. Didn't last though.
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AJ Fife,

07/08/2008 09:19:30
A brave laddie for sure. Thom acts on his instincts and beliefs in order to seek justice and truth, what can be wrong with that?

Too many auld fuddy duddies on this thread! Where's your spirit of adventure?
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 07/08/2008 09:21:17
For all those "lefties" on here that support this young guys actions so much can you answer one very simple question.

What exactly has this guy achieved that will aid anyone living in Tibet ?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:25:17
#59 Ah,but China has, and that galls you.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:26:37
He should have been imprisoned for giving false information to an immigration official. Six months you get for that.
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 09:27:46
Ignoring the comments from Chinese government hacks, stooges and running lackeys who think we couldn't see the tanks in Tiananmen Square and conclude they were an overreaction to public protest (think Prague 1968 and the ultimate consequences of that), there does seem to be a perverse thread from the "get a job" brigade that somehow this guy shouldn't have the right to protest. If you can't be arsed, don't criticise someone who can and does. As for the people who claim to "know" China and the Chinese from their rich, ex-pat bubble with a bit of tourism to the "quaint" parts thrown in, I would simply say there are many Chinas (and many Chinese!), not all of them think as one as you insultingly imply.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 07/08/2008 09:28:30
#29

So true and well said.

I’m a Scot as well and i think it is a great place to live.

I wish Gaga would stop his ignorant rants and come and see the place. I was in Hong Kong in 89. The Chinese people were so so brave. China has moved on a huge amount since then. Rome was never built in a day.

BTW in China we all refer to Mr. Thom and his type as plicks!
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 09:30:58
#64 "that somehow this guy shouldn't have the right to protest"

No, he does not have a "right" to protest in China. I don't give a rats what he does outside my country. But he has no RIGHT to protest in China. He lied to us. He broke our immigration laws. He broke our security laws. He should have been locked up.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:32:01
#60 I'd like to see his spirit of adventure when he's behind bars.
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AJ Fife,

07/08/2008 09:35:17
#67,

No doubt you'd like to see him tortured and then executed as well!?


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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:41:43
#68 No, not really. Just getting what he deserves. Obviously he's been allowed to get away with it because ho ho ho, no one takes him seriously. But what he has done is indeed serious.
Other people who lie to immigration officials are punished. Why should he expect to get away with it?
that's not brave or clever. That's just trading on your white skin. It cheapens the efforts of those who risk being punished.
Do you think because he is a whiteman that the rules should not apply to him? That's extremely racist.
But that is exactly what has happened here.
If he had been Mongolian you would never have heard of him and he would serve his time, as is expected of petty criminals.
Why should there be one rule for him and one rule for other protesters?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 07/08/2008 09:42:08
#66

Wall you really are not doing yourself any favours today! The right to disagree peacefully is surely an important basic freedom but then you wouldn't understand that. To you we appear undisciplined and irrational but its that freedom of expression that ultimately brought down the USSR and will see China as a democracy in the next 30 years.
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 09:42:47
#61

"What exactly has this guy achieved that will aid anyone living in Tibet ?"

Think about it. This story has been all over the media for the last 2 days, thats obviously going to create a lot of publicity for the Tibetan cause and bring it to the notice of people who didn't know about it before.

Clearly he can't march into Tibet and liberate the people himself so he did what he can to try and bring their plight to the attention of more people, which I'm sure he hopes will generate funding and publicity for the free Tibet campaign.
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Niall Leighton,

Perth 07/08/2008 09:43:31
He sounds like a decent, compassionate man out to right as many wrongs as possible. He's achieved massive publicity for his cause that many campaigners could only dream of. The world needs more people like him. I suspect that many of these "single-issue" organisations that Mr Thom is involved with are about all kinds of other issues surrounding human rights and grubby capitalism and imperialism. The Freedom for Zimbabwe campaign would be a case in point of the former.

I would be proud to be his friend. More power to his elbows!
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Seonaid C.,

Stornoway 07/08/2008 09:48:21
Well done, Iain Thom. Of course there are other issues deserving of protest - Zimbabwe, Iraq, the quality of education in Pilton - but why should that mean he should not protest against the Chinese destruction of Tibetan language and culture, especially when such a protest will raise the issue throughout the world? If Chinese human rights have improved so much since Tienanmen Square, why has it taken the Olympics to extend internet access? And how far has it extended?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:55:35
#70 How about our RIGHT to run OUR country the way WE want to run it? YOU don't get to decide what RIGHTS are in MY country, capice! YOU and YOUR countrymen can do what your like in YOUR country. This is not YOUR country and YOU have no say about what is a right and what is not.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 07/08/2008 09:58:48
#74
We have proper elections so our country is actually run by who the people decide, your country is run by an autocratic elite totally for their benefit.
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 10:00:29
#29 Skidmark.

Thankyou for your kind offer. However, I have already been to China a couple of times, though not in the last ten years. Incidentally, I did try to go to Tibet, but there were a number of PLA thugs with AK47's at the border that wouldn't let me through. That happened twice, from the Chinese side of the border and from the Nepalese side of the border.
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 10:02:48
#74

"How about our RIGHT to run OUR country the way WE want to run it? YOU don't get to decide what RIGHTS are in MY country, capice! YOU and YOUR countrymen can do what your like in YOUR country. This is not YOUR country and YOU have no say about what is a right and what is not."

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Are you suggesting that every country in the world should be left to do what it wants, and other countries should stand by while, for example, a country commits mass genocide or starts murdering its citizens for no reason?

You may not like it but some people in the world actually care about the citizens of other countries and feel that their governments should do something when those citizens are having their human rights violated and so on.
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 10:15:36
Dear Mashimaro, you seem to be labouring under the delusion that "rights" can be defined differently as a country's regime sees fit and are not absolute. Why do you feel so threatened by the right to peaceful protest? And why you are you so het up about one westerner's upfront tragnsgression of your immigration laws while not caring about the thousands of CHINESE people in gaol for expressing their own views? Others have pointed out the folly of your own "my country, my rights" approach.
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proud to be a scot,

Beijing 07/08/2008 10:26:09
Ni Hao,

What a Baw bag, He indeed does have the right to protest, but it is the Law in China that public protests are not allowed. whether we agree or not we have to respect that not all countries have the same beliefs as us, Laws as us. China has many social issues and is not perfect by any means but having lived here for twelve years now i have seen so many signs of improvement not only for the business community but the local people as well. foreign media will never report the good things only the bad and that has to stop.

As for this sad virgin thinking that being a part of 28 protest groups is something to feel proud for me it shows that yes he may be compassionate to the plight of many but i just think it hides the fact that he looks like a sad individual trying to make up for very sad lonely life.

Again it is his right to protest but it is also the right of the government to punish him to the letter of the LAW.

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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 10:29:35
#77 "You may not like it but some people in the world actually care about the citizens of other countries and feel that their governments should do something when those citizens are having their human rights violated and so on."

Yeah, we've seen how you people "care". The people in Vietnam love how much you "cared". Those in Korea and Laos too. Let's ask those kids in Afghanistan if they like how much you CARE for them.
What goes on in MY country is none of YOUR business.
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proud to be a scot,

Beijing 07/08/2008 10:32:24
#29

I will be travelling to Shanghai in the next few weeks several times and it is great to see another person who will defend China when all of the Western media influenced people pick up newspaper or flick on the TV news and see a story about china and decide to jump on the bandwagon,

would like to buy you a Tsing Dao some time

Cheers
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 10:35:06
#79 Excuse me. It is not against the law in China to protest. In fact there are specially designated places for people to protest in Beijing. He broke the law by lying to immigration officials and should be punished accordingly.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 07/08/2008 10:38:50
78 Privateman, Well said.

Mashimaro,China, Also China should never have never been given the Olympics in the first place, they said they would do something about human rights and such like, however we can all see that is a lie.
This Olympics will be like the Berlin 1936 games.

Another thing, Chinas record on humans right is a disgrace, BUT their animals rights record is even worse. Why don't you have a look at the following link, and then try to defend it.

http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 10:38:55
#75 Again, that is NONE of your business. Many countries in this world do not have democratically elected leaders. How would you like it of we started protesting in your country because we wanted YOU to have a dictatorship?
Democracy is not the end game here. You might force it on China eventually but it will not be without a lot of misery, starvation and bloodshed. Excuse me if I choose not to support that.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 07/08/2008 10:47:19
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yes listening to the will of the people misery, hardship and bloodshed. You just summed up your horrible dictatorship. You know its coming.
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AJ Fife,

07/08/2008 10:49:35
Mashimaro is taking some big hits here and we've not even mentioned the Chinese diet and medicine issues yet!

How do you like your Panda brains sir, boiled or poached?
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 10:50:21
"What goes on in MY country is none of YOUR business" is it Mashimaro?

Like what goes in all the African countries where China is economically interested is none of your business, or whether or not we choose to buy Chinese goods is none of your business. Wake up sunshine! It's a global world and you can't be part of it just for the bits you like and tell others to back off for the bits you don't.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 10:54:32
Any peaceful protest that annoys the horrible Chinese government and shows them how they're despised over here is good news as far as I'm concerned.
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 10:56:50
#86 wow, like...oh my...boo hoo... I've never heard that before...

actually I like them fried boiled with pig's bum. Yum yum.
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Biker,

Ayr 07/08/2008 10:56:57
Mashimaro. What about HUMAN rights, which the Chinese said they would improve (along with air quality) before the Olympics. They have resolutely NOT done so and the IOC has allowed this despite their original demands. China has flown in the face of human rights world wide. Wittness the fiasco in Zimbabwe. Along with Russia blocking embargos an trade sanctions, whilst supplying arms and tractors for Mugabi's regime. Get real clown, Mr Thom has every right to protest as he sees fit, even if it embarrasses the Chinese government. The transition to democracy in China could not be any worse than your situation is, with starvation, misery and bloodshed already suffered by many.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 07/08/2008 10:57:02
#1

Your post reveals that you may judge people on superficial levels and his appearance - whether it be "feminine" or masculine or whatever - does not detract from his right to protest. I think he just looks like a bespectacled dyed-blonde with a most unremarkable face.

But I do think that he is spreading himself thin by being "interested" in 28 protest groups. Does this mean he is actively involved in all these groups or concentrates his demonstrations and travels on a select few?

I am getting the feeling that day by day these Beijing Olympics will go down in history as being the most politicised and argumentative and repressed in the history of the Olympic movement.

This does not bode well for the reputation of China on the world stage and may just confirm what many have thought about China for years and is demonstrated daily by the suppression of protests and the extraordinary security measures being taken, although those measures are surely necessary in this contentious and violent world we live in now.

Why is it that the Olympics have devolved into demonstrations of nationalistic pride and the competitve sports aspect seems to have taken second place?
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Matt there,

Somewhere 07/08/2008 10:57:16
A Scot in China, you are a disgrace!

You suck at the teat of the so-called "motherland" and ape the line spun by the vile communist ghovernment.

And as for Mashimaro? Don't like the heat of world opinion? Stay out of the kitchen and get out of Tibet, while you are at it.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:05:52
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You seem to be under the illusion that China is some sort of British colony. Rights are indeed defined by countries and nations as it suits them. That's why, usually, countries become signatories to agreements with other countries when they share the same ideals. They don't scream and shout and kick and spit like you guys do to impose their view on others.

Do not tell me whether or not I care for those Chinese in prison. You don't know me or what I stand for.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:14:41
#92 Tibet is part of China eejit. It has been part of China for around 800 years. Are you Brits just upset because you got your butts kicked when you tried to invade it and shot up all those innocents?
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 11:14:54
#96 Mashimaro - ditto you mate. You don't know me or what I think either, but at least we're both being allowed to express our views in this discussion. I'm not under any illusions about colonial attitudes. Where did you get that from? Ever heard of the UN Commission on Human Rights? I thought China was a member of the UN. Well, do you care about the Chinese in prison or not? Let's hear it from you.

Some of your comments ("kick and spit") suggest you aren't to be taken seriously.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:15:53
#97 Yep. I have as much sympathy for them as I do for people who go surfing during a typhoon. er.. zero
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Matt there,

Somewhere 07/08/2008 11:16:42
Mashimaro, China is the colonising pwer, now. You took Tibet. When do you invade Nepal and India? Oh. You would not cal lit an invasion, though.

Peaceful and helpful neighbourly action? yes! That's the ticket! China's New Imperialism! Marvelous!
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:37:15
#100 I care about some of them - those like Hu Jia who are geniunely being punished for something they did which was in the best interests of the country.
I do not care for people who fling themsleves on bayonets in the name of religion or "human rights".
I think there are many issues the west does not grasp and as usual you are being sold a story - just like you were in Iraq.
I have been on this chatroom for more than 100 days now, fighting the lies from your media and the misconceptions of your people.
I try to answer any questions as honestly as possible in the hopes that reason will help people to see that the causes they are screaming about are not the real issues, and that screaming about them does not help those causes one iota. In fact it makes things worse.
China has seen huge progress of late - not because of your screaming and shouting, inspite of it.
Recently we witness the cold blooded murder of 16 young police officers by patsies for the western cause. The perpetrators are still alive. That should tell you how far away China is from your perception and what people here would have you believe. Take a look at the circumstances of that attack and then tell me where in the world other than in China would they still be alive.
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Number 6,

Germany 07/08/2008 11:37:37
I thought the idiot son Bush's speech in Thailand was
so breath-taking in it's hypocrasy . Critising China for human rights abuses? hang your head in shame bush until you close your torture camps and secret prisons.
Did you all know that Bush put a Chinese muslim on trial , trying to get him executed? The man is one of 18 Chinese muslims held in G.T.Bay.

The case was torn apart by the judge for offering NO evidence other than that they said he had "admitted to". the man of course, retracted his "confession" on
the grounds it was tortured out of him.

The judge's 35 page summing up tore Gates and his gang of so called lawyers apart for presenting such an appallingly weak case. He referred to "Alice in Wonderland" when pointing out that they sited information sources that were indeed themselves . As the judge said "Just because the president says something 3 times does not mean it is true".

He threw out the case and ordered the man's release to "Any country other than China or one of it's satellites". He has still not been released, nor has any of the other Chinese muslims they are currently torturing. We will see, if this latest fit up makes it to appeal (bin laden's driver) . If so, it will also be thrown out for total lack of evidence.

THAT is what we should be protesting about, inside or outside bush's "Freedom of speech zones".
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:40:03
#102 Oh dear mother, how many times have I had to type this out for you people. It's like groundhog day.
Mongolians...China...dynasty...Tibet... google it.
China liberated Tibet from an exceedingly cruel feudal system that was run by the man you peole are trying to put back into power - go figure.
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white cloud,

07/08/2008 11:41:21
I cant believe it such a idiot boy that many people encouraged him!

I think he went to China for protesting tibet was paid by an organiztion!

20. Tiananmen square case I think it has passed 20 years, this was a serious human right problem, but chinese goverment should sort current problem first or previous problem first? if you were a chinese chair, who would you like to do?

I have been reading news from different sources all about China. I also been china this April, I cant believe it what media misled us! that is why chinese people so angry with media.

you and others including me as well, we thought any chinese people took the reaction for protect themself that was chinese goverment pointed out, it is completely wrong. chinese consult did not lend the national flag to them, how to explain this? my friend who was so angry with chinese goverment, so they still got blame, deserve it!

83, I think china should deserve olympic, just for their passion, enthusiasm and continue developing for human right and to match up with the international standard way.

Animal rights, it is completely culture problem, this not just for china, korea, japan, thailan etc, so when you saying something better get to know more knowledge to proof what you said!

my friend, scottish, he ate dog meat in china, and he was stupid he told everybody, so we felt sick of him.
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white cloud,

07/08/2008 11:50:32
104 comments, I totally agree with you! It seems you have been living in China for a while?

from my knowledge that is a fair judgement!! !!!!!

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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 12:03:09
#104 the red herring of the murder of the police officers has nothing to do with the west. Who told you that? As for your question, where in the world would they still be alive, I'm not sure if you realise that if they were caught they would no doubt be sentenced to death in China, but not in the UK or many other western countries which have abolished the death sentence. No one here is supporting cold blooded terrorist assault, we've experienced enough ourselves.
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Eazy T,

London 07/08/2008 12:04:51
Mashimaro - I had the pleasure of visiting your country earlier this year, and my small visit gave me an impression of a country very much on the up and up - and that is set to continue.

However, you say it's your country and your business - it is your country, but China's treatment of others is not just your business. Your attitude of people deserving to die because they protest sucks. Do you really believe that or are you on the wind up?

Thankfully I met many Chinese people on buses and public transport who do not represent your attitude and are welcoming to foriegners, even if they have a different point of view.

However, I fully take your point about the hypocrisy of nations such as Britain & the US in these matters historically - however, their actions do not represent my or many others opinions, so yes, tough as it may be for you to understand, we are allowed to comment on China.

I look forward to returning to experience much more than the small experience I had of your country.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 12:07:07
110# PLenty of westerners spend millions of dollars each year to head to Africa's game reserves. The highlight of their trips is watching a lion make a kill. So ahem...

While animal cruelty in Chinan is apalling, you really pick some very bad examples. Do I have to help you argue your own case in your own langauge on your own site?
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/08/2008 12:10:50
#111 Horrible Cankers @ Cyber Shebeen,
Regardless of who is behind the banning of me or why, it is stripping me of the rights to freedom of speech, something that you so heavily critisize China for in the Western world. I don't display racism, I keep my language clean, and don't break any of the rules in place, so it is blatant censorship, and that is pure and total hypocracy coming from a Western newspaper and Western commentators.
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Endyjai,

England 07/08/2008 12:11:00
"How about feeding live cows and goats to caged tigers as part of the all round family entertainment in zoos?...I mean...who would bring their children to watch that appalling spectacle..an animal being eaten alive...well the chinese do...and they buy the animal that is to be pushed into the cage....sickos!"

Man, you are soft. All children should be exposed to these things, I would take them to a farm straight away.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 12:11:22
#114 I have no problem with foreigners in China. I work with a lot of them and get on very well with most of them. I have a problem with foreigners coming into China to tell us how to run things, breaking our law and getting away with it.
I have not said people deserve to die because they protest. I have said I have no sympathy with people who throw themselves on bayonets.
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Endyjai,

07/08/2008 12:14:16
#114

Good comment
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 12:16:30
#117 Endyjai - well it is cruel, but not from the way you think. The problem is that in the wild lions and tigers only eat every few days or maybe once a week. But these animals are fed each day or more. This means they are not really hungry and so they don't move to kill their prey as they would in the wild. So sometimes they play with the prey animals, and as you can imagine, being "played with" by a farking lioness can be a bit rough.
But yes, I agree, westerners are soft. They like to think their meat appears in the supermarket by magic.
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Endyjai,

07/08/2008 12:16:42
My two cents:

Students are pissing me off.

He broke the law so get out along with all your ignorant friends. Dweeb.

Get a job.

You wouldn't get away with this sociopath type behaviour anywhere in the world.

Smart guy if he got a free ticket home (but I'm sure you need a return ticket for a visa)
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Endyjai,

07/08/2008 12:18:17
#117

My gran used to slit Chicken's throats in Hong Kong and just let them flap around. Saw it when I was a kid. Kids in England are scared of/ or don't even know what raw meat is.
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 12:37:15
#123

"Animals are food and were put here for that purpose."

Erm....no. Animals evolved just like you (although you clearly didn't evolve very far), they were not 'put here' to be food.

If that were the case how do you explain the existence of the thousands of animal species that humans don't each and that are not a source of food for animals we do eat?
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britfreee,

07/08/2008 12:37:20
91 TimW1234,Ottawa

The photo speaks for itself, the lad is a bender. He bleaches the centre of his head! If he had some muscle he could get away with it.
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Memyself&I,

07/08/2008 12:39:27
#12 & 13, Mushy Mind.

Are you an idiot? You are having a laugh of course, on the wind up?
Apples and pears my little Chinese apologist.

The difference is of course that the Tibetans want you out, an your lot rule with an iron fist. Hardly an example to the rest of the world.

Fair play to this guy, he must have though long and hard about flying half way around the world, burning up all that fuel for this protest.

Still, this is the second day its been reported and we're up to 123 comments on this papers site alone. So to those that are calling it a waste of time,I'd say he has achieved what he wanted to.
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Neil,

Glasgow 07/08/2008 12:53:07
"THERE'S nothing that Iain Thom won't campaign about."

I wonder if he ever protested against the Krajina Holocaust or our government's role in genocide, child rape & the dissection of people to sell their body organs in Kosovo.

The fact is that China has shown thousands of times more respect for human rights in Tibet than our war criminals have in Yugoslavia.

2 points of interest about this protest.

1) The banner hung up was in English. It was therefore not aimed at reaching the Chinese but was purely a western media propaganda stunt.

2) He has had vastly more coverage for this than for his previous protests, by a media which, for example, has deliberately censored any mention of our governments genocidal organlegging. Does anybody seriously claim that some Brit puttingb up a banner in Ghina is a more important story than Blair & Brown raping thousands of children & dissecting 300-1,300 teenagers?

I would also be interested to see who paid his fare? Was it him or was it "Students for a free Tibet" & who funds them. Do they pass the hat round the student ref or is it, like the finance for the "democratic opposition" in so many countries, ultimately from western governments?

At the very least that is a question healthy news media would ask.
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Man On Corstorphine Omnibus,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 12:54:54
Oh aye, dead brave.

A spoiled middle-class brat with too much time on his hands. I think it's safe to say he KNEW that with the Olympics about to open, the Chinese police would treat him with kid gloves and put him on a nice comfortable plane back to Blighty.

Now making a similar protest in Zimbabwe or North Korea - that takes REAL GUTS!
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white cloud,

07/08/2008 12:56:22
From BBC: How does the world view China nowadays?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/7542187.stm

I think that is a fair judgement view!
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écossais at heart,

france 07/08/2008 13:12:06
#136 - like lobsters????????
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white cloud,

07/08/2008 13:15:30
136, pranws? crabs?
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 13:15:48
#132

"Does anybody seriously claim that some Brit putting up a banner in China is a more important story than Blair & Brown raping thousands of children & dissecting 300-1,300 teenagers?"

I'm sure if Blair and Brown really had raped and 'dissected' thousands of children then that would be front page news around the world.

That story is a figment of your warped imagination however, the media will generaly stick to reporting things that have actually happened rather than things that are made up by weirdos like you.
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Jay Kay,

07/08/2008 13:17:39
This young lad is quite lucky the Chinese government deported him, they could have locked him up and threw away the key, or given him a job which given his status would have been an even greater punishment.
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 13:19:35
#133

"I think it's safe to say he KNEW that with the Olympics about to open, the Chinese police would treat him with kid gloves".

I would suggest that the reason he did the protest now, a few days before the start of the Olympics, was obviously because he knew the eyes of the world's media would be focused on China and he would be able to get a lot of publicity for his cause - which has happened.
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Memyself&I,

07/08/2008 13:19:55
#132 at least one of the banners I saw had a translation into the local lingo so no points for you there. Must he campain against everything? Do you have anything sensible to say?

#133 So what is the problem?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 13:24:01
#126 Lordie you're funny. What difference does it make if the animal is in a cage or not?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 13:27:26
#127 Hmmm read up on Tibet and his cruel feudal system that was in place before China reasserted its authority.
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 13:33:14
#124 Obviously you are a result of the "liberal" education system in your country. I would suggest a course in biology or ecology or heck, just read a book on life and how it works.
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Memyself&I,

07/08/2008 13:33:15
#143 If you could sum up the things that make the rest of the world angry at China I'm sure we could just quote your posts. Retarded to say the least.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 13:37:32
#142 He broke our law and insulted our people He should not be allowed to get away with it. That is the problem.
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Endyjai,

07/08/2008 13:37:41
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lets abandon zoos
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Postmark-55,

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Once again, bottom line is that Iain Thom broke the law in China, a law that he was well aware of. Whether or not you agree with our laws, when here, you are expected to abide by them, just like you expect us to abide by your laws when we visit your country. Our laws were laid out for all to see, they were not unreasonable, and put there to protect each and everyone attending the Olympic Games. Iain Thom wrongly figured that he was above the law, got nabbed, and was shown that he too needs to obey the law wherever he finds himself, be it in China, in his home country, or anywhere else he happens to be.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 13:42:08
#146 Oh, I'm the retard for pointing out that westerners love to see lions killing things in Africa? I suggest you head on over to YouTube and watch the Battle in the Kruger. This is the kind of stuff they enjoy. This is what they pay a fortune to see.
Let's not talk about taking terrified - purposefully bred to be weak - horses and forcing them to jump over obstacles at break-neck speed for your entertainment and fun. It wasn't very long ago that your prince and heir to your throne would enjoy seeing a liddle furry fox being torn to shreds by hounds.
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Memyself&I,

07/08/2008 13:43:25
#149 He knew he'd be arrested and deported. I'm sure he never thought he was above the law. I'm sure he knew he'd get more publicity if he was arrested. Job done.
It pains me to say this, but the world would be a far better place if you lot would change your ways. Stop supplyng guns and bombs to Mugabe for example. Get off the fence and stop propping up despot dictators. Give your people freedom of speach etc,..
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Memyself&I,

07/08/2008 13:47:57
#150 Off on a bit of a tangent there?
Lunchtime is over for me so goodbye & good luck with your Olympics.

PS I still think you are all bonkers,...and brainwashed.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 13:49:42
#151 The world would also be a better place if you would stop supporting despots like Israel, or invading countries for their oil. It would be a far better place if you would just leave other countries the heck alone to deal with their own issues and stop interfering.
It would also be a better place if you stopped all this sanction rubbish and actually worked to make the world a better place instead of trying to punish anyone who doesn't agree with you.
It would be a far far better place if you realised that you should disband Nato and stop threatening other people in the world with your missiles and then acting all surprized and outraged when they move to protect themselves.
Oh, and if you could stop sponsoring terrorists to commit cold blooded murder - that would be an extra bonus. Thanks.
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Endyjai,

England 07/08/2008 13:57:22
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Haha... book a holiday and see for yourself
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Postmark-55,

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#151 Memyself&I,
Well I tell you what, we do have freedom of speech here, but we are also expected to follow certain laws when protesting, failing to do so will get us arrested. The rules are not unreasonable, for you and I both know that when mob mentality takes over, it's a free for all and people usually get hurt and sometimes killed, so the laws are there for a good reason. Iain Thom knew that and you're probably right when you say that he knew that if he got arrested he'd get more publicity. Are we now to bow down to him and let him get away with breaking the law? Most definitely not, for that would open the flood gates to people just like him.
He also is not an embarrassment to China as some have suggested, but displays that he's a spoiled brat that is in serious need of learning to look after himself by getting an honest job, not disrupting things half way around the world from his country. If anything, he'll just p!ss our government off, and all will backfire as far as the Tibet issue is concerned.
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Endyjai,

07/08/2008 14:06:28
#155

Most people know of the issues now, and those who care would have read up and know that it's far more complicated, than a wrongly depicted haven which Tibet never was. At least Scots have more sense and see that these protesters are just an example of attention seeking ignorance. Brave, but stupid. They should have further punishment - e.g. banned from China for life. Add Hong Kong to that, I don't want to see them there.
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07/08/2008 14:08:27
64 and 72 right on.
i'm glad this guy's embarrassed the chinese state authorities. they should be embarrassed.
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 14:22:25
I find it strange that there are so many people on here saying stuff like 'middle-class waster' and 'get a job'.

Firstly if you read the article you will see that he does actually have a job, which he is currently on a leave of absence from: "he was employed as an environmental justice project officer by Friends of the Earth and is currently on leave of absence."

Secondly, even if he doesn't have a job at least he is doing something worthwhile - he has done voluntary work and is involved in protesting against injustice.

Surely what he is doing is better than the thousands of people in the UK who don't have jobs and just live off benefits and don't do anything worthwhile with their lives?
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/08/2008 14:35:14
#157 Dave from Barra ©,
Hi Dave, good to hear from you.
Problem is Dave, that somebody is paying for his "heroics", and you can bet your bottom Dollar? that it isn't him, or his family. Now if he indeed did have a job, and contributed to society rather than stirring the pot in a negative way, I'd have a whole lot more respect for him.
Also, if indeed everyone was employed, and I mean everyone, and busy at their respective jobs, nobody would have the time to oppress anybody now would they? I know t is a wet dream on my part that there's no oppression anywhere, but it's part of my argument nonetheless.
Now Dave, you're a level headed guy, I have enjoyed your comments immensely in the past, and am just giving you my point of view on the situation.
You and I can at least have a friendly difference of opinion, and I respect you for that.
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/08/2008 14:46:43
#156 Endyjai,
I don't think I'd call Mr. Thom brave, for he knew that with the eyes of the world on these upcoming Olympic Games and all the world media being gathered here, that he'd be safe no matter what stunt he pulled off. He's not really stupid either, but more like calculating, and that's not something I admire. If indeed he was concerned about the Tibet issue, he would have followed our laws and protested in an acceptable way, but he knew that with the large gathering of worldwide media here, now was the time to strike. I cannot and do not condone that, and it was more to get himself noticed, than his cause. Another wannabe martyr, but didn't have the backbone to do something really significant, rather a cheap publicity stunt.
As far as punishment goes, yes by all means, keep him away from China, and do it for life.
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/08/2008 14:49:15
#162 Dave from Barra,
Mistake on my part in assuming, apologies to both Iain and you Dave.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 07/08/2008 14:49:53
Many of these comments seem to be sham sycophants of "freedom" which emanates from one off the most sleazy,lying corrupt nation's on planet earth.who have slaughtered more innocent people since they were compelled to enter the Second World War on pretence in 1941 as they did in 1917; as Europe was soaked in blood.when they were bulging with the mighty dollar profits.
What freedom did the indigenious people have when defending themselves with bows and arrows against the guns off their slaughterers?
What freedom did those who were lynched (in my lifetime) because they were a different colour of skin?
What freedom did the innocent men, wome and children have when the great defenders of freedom unleashed their nuclear weapons upon them?
What freedom did the innocent men, women and children have in Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia when the great defenders off freedom unleashed Napalm and Chemical weapons upon them?
This great defender off freedom has been the only nation on planet earth who have been at war continuously since the end off the 19th century and attempt to dominate the whole planet in the 21st Century with their miltary instead off them being employed at home doing something useful with their useless lives.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 14:53:40
CHEERS Wattie! thank you for articulating what I cannot
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/08/2008 14:56:15
#167 Dave from Barra ©,
Yeah I think it was Benny Hill that used to say not to assume, for it makes an ass out of u and me.
Thanks for understanding Dave. I'm of to sleep, 10 pm now, have a great afternoon Dave.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 14:59:52
#169 And their poodle
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voltaire's janny,

07/08/2008 15:13:26
Although I too see the irony attached to the professional, serial protestor career option, I salute his dedication and courage.

Some in this post seem to make the ridiculous argument that if you don't protest all injustices, or those from your own patch, you have no right to protest a cause of your own choosing.

I believe Tibet would not even make the top ten of China's misdeeds and that the Tibetan hierarchy (literally rule by priests)and mandatory induction of child monks, would struggle to be considered more free than Chinese hegemony.

But the youf in the article is no Olympic carpet bagger, with a record (sic) of involvement as early as 2004.

He has been a tad more effective at getting global attention to his adopted cause that any of the pontificating, do nothing, couch potatoes so well represented herein.

Protest is a fundamental freedom of open societies. Arrest, abuse, worse are the penalties under despotic rule like China's.

China's abuses will arrive here soon, unless we are vigilant. Databases of DNA, ID cards, CCTV creep etc

Go on yersel' son.
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European Scot,

07/08/2008 15:27:34
I've always had a soft spot for the Chinese people, their history, and their culture.
They have faced enormous hardships, and survived. Very good luck to them.
The political regime in place today, well now, that's quite a different matter.
To the 'spokespersons' here, may I offer a little mixture of 'black humour', surrealism, and truth.
It must be a very expensive business, setting up an event like the Olympics.
Perhaps in the interests of efficiency, and cost savings, the Chinese authorities could arrange for all those recently sentenced to death, to be placed strategically behind the targets in the shooting events. Tastefully hidden from view, of course.
Provided the condemned are placed far enough behind, and well secured, it shouldn't mess up the targets too much.
It would save on cost of bullets, and by having to wait for the event, it would slightly prolong the lives of the condemned, who, at the allocated time, would join in the 'spirit' of the games.
It would add a whole new meaning to that expression 'dead on target'.
Think of the savings that could be made on executioners fees, and the odds are the competitors would all be pretty accurate. Unless of course some poor beggar pulls the shooting equivalent of Eddy the Eagle, that could get messy.
Naturally, you'd have to keep it a secret from the competitors, they would probably object if they knew, in spite of all the sponsorship deals.
Best to load the rifles beforehand, even the Eagle eye of Eddy, might spot those hollow tipped bullets.
There should be enough condemned subjects to go round, to cover all of the shooting events, China normally gets through thousands each year anyway.
The precise number is actually a State secret.
Mind you, not all get a bullet it in the back of the neck, some are now given lethal injections. These take place in fixed locations, or in modified single deck buses.
Mobile execution vehicles ? Sounds vaguely familiar.
Anyway, 'Thought Police', do enjoy your 'Ga
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European Scot,

07/08/2008 15:29:12
Anyway, 'Thought Police', do enjoy your 'Games' !
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Neil,

Glasgow 07/08/2008 16:38:50
Yeah 139 said
"I'm sure if Blair and Brown really had raped and 'dissected' thousands of children then that would be front page news around the world."

Actually I said it was teenagers they dissected. They kidnapped raped & sold schoolgirls. Your belief that it would have been front page news, or even reported at all, either aroind the world or even in this paper depends on the assumption that the media can be relied on to tell the truth.

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/b92032608.htm
http://www.health-now.org/site/article.php?menuId=17&articleId=218

So clearly I was right on both charges & your certainty as the the possibility of the media not censoring atrocities was unjustified.

Yeah 160 inadvertently confirms my other suggestion that he was being funded by western governments by pointing out that this numpty got leave of absence from his day job with Friends of the Earth. Friends of the Earth, at least in its European incarnation, is overwhelmingly funded by the EU & member governments., while lobbying them for ever more EU eco-fascist regulations.
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RSFMom,

San Diego 07/08/2008 17:10:38
This boy needs a job and a life.
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OntarioToo,

Canada 07/08/2008 17:29:39
It isn't as if this Ian Thom was protesting independently. There were worldwide protests by groups on the same day on the same theme. Here in Ottawa the Chinese embassy was faced with one. The Chinese made complete fools of themselves. One embassy employee was out taking pictures of the protesters but when someone took his picture he knocked the camera out of his hand. Meanwhile other embassy representatives were demanding the arrest of all the protesters. What a joke! In Canada we don't live in fear of the police and government and the Chinese apparently just couldn't understand that. The police even returned the demonstrators signs, etc. I imagine the Chinese embassy would have been well pleased if the army had shown up with tanks. Civilized countries don't need to take heavy-handed action to control their satisfied residents. To all you Chinese residents screaming for the arrest and punishment of Ian Thom for breaking an immigration law maybe you should examine yourselves. How much propoganda do you have to have shoved in your face and how long does it take to become completely indoctrinated in the ridiculous?
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Neil,

Glasgow 07/08/2008 17:55:44
"There were worldwide protests by groups on the same day on the same theme"

Presumably all of them equally spontaneous & purely coincidentally organised by organisations who, like FoE, are ultimately paid by western governments.

The fact remains that the Chinese behaviour in Tibet shows at least thousands of times more respect for human rights by the Chinese government than our obscene corrupt racit child raping genocidal Nazi leadersgovernment have shown they possess in Kosovo & Krajina.

As Yeah inadvertently pointed out if our media were not complicit in genocide they could not continue censoring such atrocities.
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ThePeter,

Glasgae 07/08/2008 19:10:07
Compassionate socialist
Bit of an oxymoron that.....
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57Nomad,

california 07/08/2008 19:18:25
#62 mashy

mashy said:

"#59 Ah,but China has, and that galls you."

Why would you say that? Are you are racist? Do you believe that China is truly the middle kingdom, below heaven but above earth? You are wrong on so much it is no surprise that you are wrong again. If you have read what I have posted over time you would know that I believe that all men are brothers. All men.

I don't know if you know about the California Chinese. The came to California through the port of San Francisco by the tens of thousands 160 years ago. We don't distinguish between races and Chinese and Anglos have never had any problems whatsoever between them. They are respected, have intermarried with Californians of different races and do not experience an iota of discrimination.

I am a graduate of the University of California San Diego. 40% of the students their are Asian, mostly Chinese. They are making a tremendous contribution to our society. We use them as an example for our own children.

Really, Mashy, your chip on the shoulder attitude is very puzzling. Please go to this site.

http://www.smartvoter.org/2002/03/05/ca/state/vote/eu_m/bio.html

You sound like a child on a grammar school playground shouting nah nanny nah nah. What's with you anyway? Americans have fond feeling for the Chinese. We have long memories for those who have sacrificed for us. I remember posting the reservoir of good feeling generated by the brave Chinese who risked their lives to save the crewmen who landed their out of fuel bombers after the bombing of Tokyo by Jimmy Doolittle's squadron at the beginning of the war with Japan. In return a Chinese poster, maybe it was you, maybe not, responded with an insult. Sheesh!

The world will be a better place for everyone when their people have been lifted out of the cesspool of poverty and neglect. We do not fear a successful China, why should we? However, a bellicose and xenophobic Communist Party is hardly the stuff of good will.

If a
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 19:20:41
184 contd.

If anyone should fear a successful China it should be the CCP. Well educated successful people will not long tolerate the chains of despotism and the rampant, almost comical nepotism that is the hallmark of the modern CCP.
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 20:15:55
166 wattie

You've asked a lot of questions, here's some for you.

what nation held the entire country of India in thrall for a couple hundred years. what nation forced opium addiction on the chinese race at the point of a gun? what nation began the slave trade?

As for late entries into the two great wars, answer this, why should we have entered at all? WWI was a squabble between the inbred hemophiliac royalty of Europe. Isn't the house of Windsor the direct descendants of the Elector of Hanover and Saxe-Coburg? These are Germans, correct. Hmmm? So what you had here was a family feud. Not the kind of thing you hop into right away if you are 3000 miles away and possessed of no royalty.

As for the impact of the American entry into WWI, instead of the whining of those responsible for the war, take a look at what Eric Von Ludendorff, commander of German forces said and my guess he knows more than you do about the subject, seeing as he was right there on the spot and in command of the German forces.

Erich Von Ludendorff:

All [German] divisions [along the Marne] achieved brilliant successes, with the exception of the one division on our right wing. This encountered American units! Here only did the Seventh Army, in the course of the first day of the offensive, confront serious difficulties. It met with the unexpectedly stubborn and active resistance of fresh American troops.

While the rest of the divisions of the Seventh Army succeeded in gaining ground and gaining tremendous booty, it proved impossible for us to move the right apex of our line, to the south of the Marne, into a position advantageous for the development of the ensuing fight. The check we thus received was one result of the stupendous fighting between our 10th Division of infantry and American troops ..."

And from Lieutenant Kurt Hesse, Adjutant, German 5th Grenadiers:

"I have never seen so many dead. I have never seen such a frightful spectacle of war. On the other bank the
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Neil,

Glasgow 07/08/2008 20:17:42
Gorbachev put "openness" first, as the west wanted. This turned out to be being open to the spivs, fascists & gangsters who got & still get western support (the US ambassador to Belarus once boasted thet the US was funding 300 political organisations among its 10 million people).

Deng put economic success first.

Does anybody believe the people of China actually want their government to follow instructions from the genocidal, child raping, Nazi war criminals running Britain & the US & follow Gorbachev's example?
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57Nomad,

07/08/2008 20:19:40


#186 contd.

And from Lieutenant Kurt Hesse, Adjutant, German 5th Grenadiers:

"I have never seen so many dead. I have never seen such a frightful spectacle of war. On the other bank the Americans, in close combat, had destroyed two of our companies. Lying down in the wheat, they had allowed our troops to approach and then annihilated them at a range of 30 to 50 yards. "The Americans kill everyone," was the cry of fear on July 15-a cry that caused our men to tremble for a long time.

You're welcome, dumbass.

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W Smith,

Middle East 07/08/2008 20:40:06
Wasn't it Chairman Mao the 'socialist' who ordered the invasion of Tibet?

Or was it the american neocons Mr Thom?
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W Smith,

Middle East 07/08/2008 20:52:55
Quiz time for numty socialists Iain Thom:

1) What other 'socialist' did Edinburgh University give an honorary degree to in the '80s and who went on to 'manage' the bread basket of Africa and ended up with inflation at over 2,000%???

2) What arab 'socialist' headed up the Baathist Party of Iraq and killed 200,000 Kurds while one member of the Scottish Labour Party, and 'socialist', praised his 'indefatigability'?

Struggling to answer the questions, eh Thom?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/08/2008 23:09:09
191 - really ? you mean 57 Nomad, Uncle Sam's fave nephew is just a hired lackey of the fascist imperialist running dogs of Beijing ? A guttersnipe backing the bloody oppressors of the Tibetan people. ? Shame on him !
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Let's have the truth,

Here 07/08/2008 23:56:41
At least these deluded and ignorant people had the courage to protest IN China whereas US president George W. Bush could only summon up enough balls to do it OUTSIDE the country, in Bangkok.

Was he afraid of deportation? I would have liked to have seen that.
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Pagan,

Fife 08/08/2008 00:07:27
"He was always skint, but he did a lot of voluntary work, always helping people out."
But he could afford a flight to China. I work support a family and couldn't afford to go on Holiday with them to see the family, to another Western Vilified country this year. Which, by the Way, (see gave it away I am a Glaswegian), I hope to retire to when I finish working. Where did he get the money or did his stupid affluent parents supply it. I can't stand these posturing middle class activists.
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Schizobeck,

SWEET HOME ALABAMA 08/08/2008 03:37:33
Protesting for the sake of protesting is a plague of the last few years that's become boringly typical.

Note the most likely mentally challenged man who "ate the Corgy" for animal rights -- If you really want to see REAL and purposeful protests in animal rights, look at www.peta.org.

Also note, the bizarre demand for "milking of mice and dogs" by Ms. Heather Mills. Disturbing animal populations is not what animal rights protesting is about. Again, check www.peta.org. Peta's methods seem gruesome because they pretty much show all the blood and guts in their photos, but they recommend folks become vegans also, and who doesn't need a few more veggies in his/her diet.

Another hugely disappointing protest was that of the marchers in Jena, LA, USA, marching for 6 teens who attacked and beat up another teen. They made their march seem as if it was civil rights related, yet, MLK would never have approved of marching for freedom of violent criminals. The catch phrase "Free the Jena 6" was omnipresent at times, yet no civil rights violations occurred. They were simply disturbed at on teens choice of expressing his freedom of speech.

If you're going to protest something, do it right folks. Smart people will avoid you like the plague the more bizarre your efforts are.

 

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