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Published Date: 04 March 2008
A GANG of youths committed almost 450 crimes in less than a year, police revealed yesterday, as they launched a campaign to tackle gang violence and disorder.
Over an 11-month period, the unnamed group in the Strathclyde area was responsible for 448 crimes.

Strathclyde Chief Constable Steve House said: "That is 13 crimes per gang member, and of course, that's just the crimes we know about.

"Every one
of these crimes has a victim. There are decent people being blighted by these crimes."

The police chief said arrests had been made for violent offences as well as lower-level crimes such as shoplifting and car break-ins.

Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, the head of the Violence Reduction Unit, is leading the campaign to tackle gangs.

He said: "I know it sounds hackneyed but it's really about co-ordinating the delivery of a whole range of services for all these young people at risk.

"The young people of today want the same things as the young people of 50 years ago: they want something to do and they want somewhere to do it. So we need to be doing that for them."

He pledged action would be taken against those who were still involved in gangs, adding: "For those who are not prepared to take those opportunities such as schools open, youth clubs, football diversion, and still persist in gangs, make no mistake about it – every police force in Scotland will be robust in stopping and searching and arresting and targeting and making sure they go to prison if that's what they need."

About 5 per cent of youngsters in Strathclyde are thought to be involved in gang violence or disorder, with another 20-25 per cent at risk of getting drawn into the culture.

Extra officers will patrol trouble hotspots as part of the new initiative and gang members will be subject to stop and searches.

About 70 officers have also been trained in setting up "diversionary" activities, such as five-a-side football matches and weekend discos in a bid to keep youngsters off the streets.

Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill announced a £200,000 boost to the programme last month.

Strathclyde Police is currently considering 30 bids for funding. Mr House said that, in total, 600 officers were committing one day a month to the Safer Scotland Collective Violence Campaign. The figure may rise to 1,200.

He said: "The extra police officers are not a one-off and this campaign is not a short-term fix. We are in this for the long haul and this will be how we do our everyday business from now on.

"Be assured that this is not just about throwing resources at a problem. There is a lot of background intelligence-gathering work being done, and officers will be working where specific problems have been identified."

Mr House added: "We are well aware of the problems .

"People in gangs will not be able to hide. We know who and where they are and, when necessary, we will use the full force of the law to 'de-glamorise', divert, detect and disrupt this disease which has blighted communities for generations."

GANGS THRIVE DESPITE REGENERATION
THE announcement comes a month after a study revealed that Glasgow has six times as many teenage gangs as London per capita.

The report, by the influential Centre for Social Justice think tank, said there were in the region of 170 teenage gangs, the same as London, despite the UK capital having six times the population. It said that if the same ratio was to carried through to London, it would have more than 1,000 gangs.

The report presented by the former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith, examined deprivation in Glasgow and concluded that, despite huge amounts of outside investment in economic regeneration, Scotland's biggest city was still "notorious for its levels of youth and violent crime".



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  • Last Updated: 03 March 2008 10:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Youth crime
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 04/03/2008 05:24:15
Bear in mind that that numpty Kenny MacAskill doesn't want to send any of these wee neds and thugs to gaol. He just wants to mollycoddle them.

He is not fit for purpose. Time for wee Eck to give him the boot.
2

Beate,

Tbilisi 04/03/2008 06:29:30
Maybe they could do some outdoor challenges on Rockall...
3

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04/03/2008 06:30:46
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/03/2008 07:00:33
The root cause of crime is poverty, the root cause of poverty is unemployment, the root cause of unemployment is socialist economic policy.
Get people off benefits and into employment and you will reduce the level of crime. Social assistance should be a hand up for those who have fallen on hard times. It should not be a lifestyle choice. There are far to many who have gotten caught it the soul destroying benefit trap. It is time for policys that help these people break free.
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04/03/2008 07:23:12
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Mcsnagpile,

04/03/2008 08:36:29
Hey wait a minute when did the police become social workers??
The truth is policemen are here to uphold the law, ensure the laws of the land are obeyed. This is a definite conflict with social work. In fact a large conflict with Social Work Depts is the close ties with police agencies. The conflict is looking after the needs of the law or the individual—not the same thing. Police can so easily be spies looking after their own interests. How dare you insult our integrity—we are here for the common good was the loud cry???
The government has failed to meet its own targets on child poverty. Perhaps the police would be better employed in these quarters
7

Gothic Rose,

04/03/2008 09:10:55
8# Well said. Thankyou.xxx
8

Mr H 2u,

Embra 04/03/2008 09:41:10
How many less crimes would there have been, if the dirty wee bandits had been locked up the first time, for a hard labour enhanced stretch.

This country deserves all it gets, for it's ludicrous approach to crime and the mollycoddling of the wee souls who commit it.

"It's no ma fault, I'm third generation unemployed". Boo-bloody-hoo. Take some responsibility for your own lives, and stop blaming everyone else.
9

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 10:20:48
Chief Superintendent Carnochan sounds more like a social worker every day. He's certainly doing a good job of sucking up to his boss, the arch-social worker MacAskill, with his w**k-speak. 'Co-ordinating the delivery of services to young people at risk' The only folk 'at risk' are the honest folk of Glasgow who daily run the risk of being attacked, having their houses broken into, their cars stolen by these vermin. And now the polis have to provide something for them to do and somewhere for them to do it. I can just imiagine myself approaching a cop when I was young and saying 'I'm bored, entertain me or I'll slash some tyres'. I truly despair for this country.
10

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 04/03/2008 10:25:48
Gothic Rose

I am disappointed in your agreeing with #8 who brought Conrad Black into this discussion.

His "crimes" are of an entirely different breed as those committed by the feral youth of Glasgow and I believe him a victim of a flawed judicial system in Chicago and a prosecutorial team out to make a name for itself and a vindictive judge and a misled jury.

He is a superb writer of historical biographies and it is unfortunate that his wife, Barbara Amiel, is such a b**ch.

It is appalling to read of the ratio of crime in Glasgow as compared to that of London and if some of these predatory youths will not participate in diversionary tactics to keep them away from gangs or curb there larcenous ways then throw the book at them because they are beyond help.

There is only so much money and personpower you can throw at those who are intent on living a self-destructive lifestyle and why should the Scottish taxpayer fund a criminal who is beyond any sort of redemption.

11

D PATERSON AKA ERIC LOTHIANS,

04/03/2008 10:45:41
448 crimes from 1 gang? aye glesga's a real friendly city right enough
12

alsirat,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 10:55:44
The London gangs are much more tougher - most of these Glasgow kids are fairly soft.
13

alsirat,

04/03/2008 11:09:00
A friend of mine, a middle aged lady teacher, drove off a gang of youths who had 2 Policement trapped behind some bins. The Policemen emerged rather sheepishly.
14

Gothic Rose,

04/03/2008 11:17:08
13#TimW.
Be as disappointed as you choose sweetness.8# Rulesbutnotrulers argument,as I read it is that by blaming "poverty"for criminal acts is too much of a generalisation.Of course I do see [all things being relative]one must first off all define "poverty" However,You would agree that there is a certain poverty of mind involved,[psychologically]Or perhaps you don`t.
15

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 04/03/2008 11:55:30
18 Gothic Rose

Yes, I do.

Now, let us not continue in this jesuitical casuistry.
16

`Side show bob,

04/03/2008 12:14:51
448 crimes?? well that will be the ones that are reported but this figure would be double that if all their crimes were reported. Instead of thinking up ways to punish, the police and council should look for a solution but in saying that crime has to be punished.

Some of the council areas in Glasgow are so depressing it is little wander kids turn to crime and gangs.
Maybe if some of the money that is being spent on brushing up the Clyde with expensive flats was channeled into the poorer established communities, then we could see a fall in gangs and crimes.
17

Gothic Rose,

04/03/2008 15:06:35
19#TimW.
With pleasure.:)
18

James Donald,

Newbridge 04/03/2008 15:58:12
#1 Dragonhead,Dalian,China - The usual "down" from you on Scotland - what's up? Did some guys from the RHF give you a good kicking in the NAAFI one night leaving you with a huge chip on your shoulder?
19

Furchrissake,

04/03/2008 16:06:03
20# Well said, Bob - 'despite huge amounts of outside investment in economic regeneration, Scotland's biggest city was still "notorious for its levels of youth and violent crime".'

Most of the regeneration in Glasgow involved cosmopolatinising the city centre and sweeping the inhabitants out to places like Drumchapel where they have been left to rot for years - now unwelcome and unable to afford the benefits of the 'regeneration'.

Territorial fighting and involvement with their peer group are all these youngsters have. With a history of unemployment, and only service industry jobs available - (servicing the c***s in the city centre) there is little for them to aspire to.

They are at the *rse end of society and, as it happens, just starting out, and only too aware of how unfair and divided this nation is.

They can't afford to go to swimming pools, football matches, leisure centres that the middle classes now hog - so good on Glasgow police for at least recognising the problem and trying to do something about it.


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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 04/03/2008 18:58:43
Kampung Highlander's joke amused me - "The root cause of crime is poverty". A lovely parody of the childish, simple-minded mantras that have aggravated the problem for years.

The root cause of crime is the decision to commit a crime. Excusing Scotland's starving (if they exist), no-one is strapping people to a chair, holding hot irons to their eyes and demanding that they go out and commit a crime.

As for #23 and "They can't afford to go to swimming pools, football matches, leisure centres" might I suggest they get of their lazy, self-indulgent backsides and try one of those "service industry jobs"? Or should the rest of us - who made different decisions - be made to pay for the lackwit culture?
21

Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 04/03/2008 19:11:05
"All crime...is due to incorrect breathing"..

Sir Henry at Rawlinson end...
22

Roberta Burns,

04/03/2008 19:56:12
24# Why should our kids be brought up to serve the lazy, self-indulgent rich? And, in a city that used to 'belong' to Glaswegians! Now, it's mainly American and European dilletantes who parade the streets, snapping their fingers for service for the locals - Change? Progress? Democracy? I don't think so.
23

Roberta Burns,

04/03/2008 19:57:08
24# Why should our kids be brought up to serve the lazy, self-indulgent rich? And, in a city that used to 'belong' to Glaswegians! Now, it's mainly American and European dilletantes who parade the streets, snapping their fingers for service from the minimum-waged locals - Change? Progress? Democracy? I don't think so. I guess most of them prefer going up chimneys.
24

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 04/03/2008 20:12:55
#26 & #27 Roberta Burns: Thank you for your dual responses to my comment.

In answer to your question, my comment was about decisions we make in life. My comment was prompted by a prior comment about the only jobs being available are in the service industry. If I make decisions about my education that lead to the only available jobs being in the service industry them I'm hardly being brought up to serve the rich. (after all, MacDonald's is part of the 'service industry' and I doubt of many "lazy, self-indulgent rich" are served there.)

But, to your question - the answer is that they are not, unless their parents choose to do so. As to your comment about American and European dilletantes parading the streets, I expect to be heartily entertained by that when I'm next in Glasgow.

And now a question for you: If I can remove the rhetoric from your post, what would you have your kids do if not serve?
25

educational snob,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 20:48:37
What is needed is a wholehearted return to Christian values. Studies in New York have shown that through Christian work done through Teen Challenge and T.R.U.C.E ("To Reach Urban Children Everywhere"), young people find a message which meets their needs (a sense of belonging to God, peace with themselves and others, plus a sense of social responsibiity), and they abandon the gangs and crime. The main problem is that our nation is largely morally and spiritually ambiguous, if not bankrupt, and young people are nolt being given the lead they need by their elders, since they themselves don't have clear values.
26

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 04/03/2008 21:13:21
Take half the gang by drawing lots, one half gets to watch the other half be hanged, then their job is to go back to the community and behave, ......... or the next time they break the law they will not get a 50 50 chance at survival.
27

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 04/03/2008 21:28:16
Roberta, if the scum spawn of stupid druggy alccy margarine legged parents, cannot stick in at school and get an education then they are fit for nothing.

If their parent(s) cannot see far enough ahead out of their proudly gained Scottish hangover to encourage their children to better themsleves then they are fit for nothing.

indeed letting them breed more is a crime in itself.

There needs to be state intervention in "families" who cannot bring up children properly.

The first test should be can they do basic arithmatic on th efirst week of school, can they read from a book in a proper manner?

Do they say please and thank you? do they respect the teachers? are they timely and tidy (YOU DONT HAVE TO BE RICH TO BE TIDY!!!) are they clean? can they tell the time from ananalogue watch?

All very simple things but many turning up at scholl these days (from the schemes) are just fit for the bin.

The choice is then does the school take over where the parents failed? thus holding back the good children from caring families who made an effort? only to have them leave each night with no hope of parental support at homework time, TV nanny an dbad food choices.

Scotland WAKE UP !!!
28

john from the brig,

los angeles/coatbridge 04/03/2008 22:15:52
how can one fear the local scottish police these days when they are about as intimidating as one could imagine. small lassies or young ladies, partnered by a thin young man going up against the bruisers of glasgow or even more pitiable a group of 12/17 year olds, who just laugh at them as they are polite and mannerly (the police that is) when you are stopped here in l.a. (even though all you have done might be an illegal lane change) there is an instant fear as these police are not there to be sociable, (and this has nothing to do with them carrying guns , thats a completly separate issue) its a fact that they are extremely serious about the job they do , and with there size requirement to get into the force ,they will let the bruisers know that they are not going to be polite but effective. when i was younger living in scotland the required height to be a policeman was 6 foot , bring that back and you will see a difference. i get rather peeved when i hear of policemen and women having to listen to the abuse they recieve when going to help the public esp when it comes from boys who should be at home reading the beano not terrorising decent folk.
29

Tobytoo,

Southington, U.S.A. 04/03/2008 23:19:54
#24 & 28
Very well said, I totally agree with you.
30

Tearlich,

Lanark, Ontario 05/03/2008 01:56:12

26 - Snapping your fingers?

Get over yourself.

The cuisine in Scotland is crap. Utter crap.

Snap your fingers? More like being Dorothy and clicking your heels and wishing you were back in Kansas.

I was in Glasgow a year ago. Drunks. beligerrents, foul language everywhere - almost as plentiful as the beggars and dog sh**e on the streets.

Glasgow belongs now to the lowest bidder. The fact that is up for auction is the fault of ????

 

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